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Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:49 pm
by Miami_JBT
HB1916 by Rep. Michael Beltran (PDF)

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Spent the last couple of months working behind the scenes with Rep. Beltran's office to craft this bill.

Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:29 pm
by Miami_JBT
Was on the Bob Rose Show (97.3 WSKY) this morning discussing the Open Carry bill (HB 1619) introduced by Rep. Mike Beltran. Take a listen.

https://omny.fm/shows/wsky-the-bob-rose ... lorida-cal

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Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:17 am
by Chigger
I appreciate your tireless efforts for the rights of gun owners but do you really think this bill has a chance given the Rino makeup of our legislator and how they are tied into the recreational aspect of Florida's visitors?

Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:56 am
by Miami_JBT
Chigger wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:17 am I appreciate your tireless efforts for the rights of gun owners but do you really think this bill has a chance given the Rino makeup of our legislator and how they are tied into the recreational aspect of Florida's visitors?
I got DeSantis on record last year. His stance was he'll support it if a bill or amendment is filed and introduced. Well, one's introduced. Now we have him put up or shut up.

Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:16 am
by FfNJGTFO
Miami_JBT wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:56 am
Chigger wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:17 am I appreciate your tireless efforts for the rights of gun owners but do you really think this bill has a chance given the Rino makeup of our legislator and how they are tied into the recreational aspect of Florida's visitors?
I got DeSantis on record last year. His stance was he'll support it if a bill or amendment is filed and introduced. Well, one's introduced. Now we have him put up or shut up.
He also said something similar about a bill to repeal/eliminate ERPOs. I see no activity on that, either. Or, a bill to eliminate/felonize "Civil Asset Forfeiture." You keep saying that the legislators that enacted ERPOs are still there and won't get rid of it, but so are the legislators who keep denying Open Carry. I mean, if you can do it for OC, why not eliminating ERPOs?

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Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:24 pm
by Miami_JBT
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For most gun owners in America, Open Carry has long been the law of their state. But in Florida, peaceful Open Carry of a handgun has been illegal and has been banned in the “Gunshine State” since 1987.

Yes, you read that right: Open Carry is banned in Florida. 45 states have legalized Open Carry, but Florida ain’t one of ‘em!

The state that likes to crow about how it is the freest state in the nation — is, in fact the only Republican-controlled state in the nation that bans Open Carry. The only other four states that outright banned open carry are New York, Illinois, California, and Connecticut. And coming as a shock to no one, the rest of their gun laws are horrendous as well.

But the worst part is, Florida’s Open Carry ban was instituted by then-Dade County State Attorney Janet Reno. Yes, the same Janet Reno, who was Bill Clinton’s Attorney General, had no problem ordering federal law enforcement to enforce an unconstitutional order, which sadly resulted in the murder of women and children.

Republicans, controlling Florida since 2000, have been upholding her ban on Open Carry while touting themselves as pro-gun champions.

Multiple times throughout the past two decades, Open Carry bills have been introduced and smothered by Republican legislative leadership and Republican governors. Previous Republican governors like Rick Scott, Charlie Crist, and Jeb Bush never once lifted a finger to support Open Carry or even publicly state they support it.

Legislative leaders have constantly claimed that they won’t support an Open Carry bill as long as the Florida Sheriffs Association doesn’t support it. Additionally, they have previously hidden behind prior Governors staying silent on the issue and used that silence to bolster their anti-gun stance.

Well, that all changed in 2023 when this author confronted Gov. Ron DeSantis and outright asked him where he stands on Open Carry. Gov. DeSantis said he fully supports repealing the ban, but as governor he couldn’t do much until there is a bill or amendment introduced in the legislature.

That’s where Rep. Mike Beltran stepped up to the plate in the Florida legislature and decided that he’d give Gov. DeSantis a bill.

Rep. Beltran, who is passionate about freedom and liberty, reached out to Gun Owners of America a few months back asking for input on what needs to be in a good Open Carry bill.

Through the hard work of GOA and their friends over at Florida Carry, the candle was burnt at both ends to craft the best Open Carry bill possible. After a lot of back and forth with Rep. Beltran, HB 1619 was finalized and introduced on the first day of Florida’s legislative session.

HB 1619 does a few key things:

*It legalizes Open Carry in Florida.

*College/University Campuses are no longer gun-free zones.

*It repeals the ability for law enforcement to declare someone simply carrying a firearm is an automatic breach of the peace and an arrestable offense.

*If a person still wants to get a Florida CCW permit, the state, not the applicant, shall pay for the fingerprinting.

*Polling places are no longer gun-free zones.

*Adult career centers are no longer gun-free zones.

*Adults under 21 can legally have a handgun in their vehicle if it is securely encased (a loaded firearm in a closed center console or glove compartment is legally defined as securely encased).

The Republican legislative leadership can’t really come up with any excuse this year for killing such a bill.

They can no longer hide behind the governor or the Florida Sheriff Association. Sheriff Bill Leeper of Nassau County, the current president of the Florida Sheriffs Association, has stated in the past that he supports Open Carry. As does Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey, who also backs Open Carry. Plus, you have Gov. DeSantis openly stating he backs Open Carry.

What excuse can the Republican legislative leadership really use to defend Democrat anti-freedom gun control policies anymore? Law enforcement supports Open Carry … the Governor supports Open Carry … and as we saw last session, the people support Open Carry too.

The Republican leadership no longer has the ability to claim ignorance on this issue. The people want their Second Amendment rights restored, and HB 1619 is one of the vehicles to accomplish this. HB 1619, in combination with HB 17 and HB 1223, truly makes Florida the “Gunshine State” since HB 17 repeals mandatory waiting periods, and HB 1223 restores adults under the age of 21 to legally purchase firearms.

The legislature and governor must act in defense of the Second Amendment and restore our right to keep and bear arms.

Luis Valdes is the Florida State Director for Gun Owners of America, a “no-compromise” grassroots lobbying organization representing over two million members nationwide.

https://www.ammoland.com/2024/01/open-c ... e-session/

Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:29 pm
by Miami_JBT
FfNJGTFO wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:16 am
Miami_JBT wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:56 am
Chigger wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:17 am I appreciate your tireless efforts for the rights of gun owners but do you really think this bill has a chance given the Rino makeup of our legislator and how they are tied into the recreational aspect of Florida's visitors?
I got DeSantis on record last year. His stance was he'll support it if a bill or amendment is filed and introduced. Well, one's introduced. Now we have him put up or shut up.
He also said something similar about a bill to repeal/eliminate ERPOs. I see no activity on that, either. Or, a bill to eliminate/felonize "Civil Asset Forfeiture." You keep saying that the legislators that enacted ERPOs are still there and won't get rid of it, but so are the legislators who keep denying Open Carry. I mean, if you can do it for OC, why not eliminating ERPOs?

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The key is to attack DeSantis and put him on the spot. He uses the excuse of the Legislature not submitting bills to repeal the issues cited, thus he won't expend political capital. My strategy has been to work with allies in the Legislature, like Rep. Beltran, and have a billed filed.

Now, DeSantis cannot excuse himself from the issue at hand since I have him on record openly supporting Open Carry.

As for Red Flags, this bill also, while it doesn't outright repeal it, does turn it to a Yellow Flag where due process must be followed.

Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:28 pm
by Miami_JBT
My back channels have informed me that HB 17, the bill that repeals mandatory waiting periods will probably have a committee hearing on January 19 at 12:30pm in the House's Criminal Justice & Public Safety Subcommittee.

It isn't on the Subcommittee's official calendar yet, but the Subcommittee is scheduled three hours on the House's official calendar.

So, be ready to show up to the Capitol to speak in support of HB 17.

https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections ... teeId=3241

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Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:40 pm
by FfNJGTFO
Miami_JBT wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:29 pm As for Red Flags, this bill also, while it doesn't outright repeal it, does turn it to a Yellow Flag where due process must be followed.
I'll have to review the bill more carefully, then. I need to see how they handle things like removal of the "temporary ex parte" portion of it. How do they notify the subject that they are subject to an ERPO and how much notice is given before they show up to confiscate? In this particular case, procedure is everything!

If it does work out, then the next step is eliminating/felonizing "Civil Asset Forfeiture."

Re: Open & Campus Carry Bill filed as of Jan 9 at 8:54am

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:54 pm
by Miami_JBT
FfNJGTFO wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:40 pm
Miami_JBT wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:29 pm As for Red Flags, this bill also, while it doesn't outright repeal it, does turn it to a Yellow Flag where due process must be followed.
I'll have to review the bill more carefully, then. I need to see how they handle things like removal of the "temporary ex parte" portion of it. How do they notify the subject that they are subject to an ERPO and how much notice is given before they show up to confiscate? In this particular case, procedure is everything!

If it does work out, then the next step is eliminating/felonizing "Civil Asset Forfeiture."
Line 677 is where ex parte orders are struck out of the statute.

READ THE BILL.