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Let's make one thing clear. I'm not an anti vaxxers. I've probably gotten more shots than most because of my previous careers and and I have no idea what some were. Some I was not given a choice in the matter. Others I was. That said some morons are pushing this COVID vaccine to the point of if you do not get it. You should not be able to go to public places to buy food or the basic necessities of life. Unless you can prove you've received this COVID vaccine.

Upto including being injected with some kind of chip that can be scanned before entering any stores ect.

I'll keep my response to myself because of COC violations against being forced to take anything you do not want injected into your body. Considering this virus for the most part is 99.7% non lethal. Up to a certain age.

Further more if you get the vaccine what's it matter who takes it. Your suppose to be safe.

But for doomers to even insinuate that unless you take it you have no right to basically live. Because they want to starve you into submission. No food, gas, not allowed in public unless you can show proof you got vaccine by papers or scanable chip implant.

So we're talking for actually physically forcing the vaccine up on people. By force

Think about it, how many here refuse to get the flu vaccine each year. Should they suffer the same fate. I promise you if people were tested for the flu, SARS and MERS

What happened to our CONSTITUTION in that Americans have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Which is already being stomped on by the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY in states under their authority.

Some of these have the same mortality rate as COVID 19 and even infect the same amount of people. Look at HIV, Smallpox, Dengue H1NI Spanish flu which Obama stopped counting in United States but look at world numbers

What say you FSN do you feel that Americans should be forced to take vaccine under the threat of losing all your liberties to live free.

Here's some interesting info.

Symptoms of the novel coronavirus strain are milder than SARS and MERS, but it transmits from human-to-human faster than them. Besides, the mortality rate of SARS-CoV-2 is lower (3.4%) than that of SARS-CoV (9.6%) and MERS (35%) [5].May 20, 2020


Also here are the percentage of fatalities of the 10 most deadly viruses and they are much much higher than COVID

Marburg virus

Scientists identified Marburg virus in 1967, when small outbreaks occurred among lab workers in Germany who were exposed to infected monkeys imported from Uganda. Marburg virus is similar to Ebola in that both can cause hemorrhagic fever, meaning that infected people develop high fevers and bleeding throughout the body that can lead to shock, organ failure and death.

The mortality rate in the first outbreak was 25%, but it was more than 80% in the 1998-2000 outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, as well as in the 2005 outbreak in Angola, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). 

Ebola virus

The first known Ebola outbreaks in humans struck simultaneously in the Republic of the Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo in 1976. Ebola is spread through contact with blood or other body fluids, or tissue from infected people or animals. The known strains vary dramatically in their deadliness, Elke Muhlberger, an Ebola virus expert and associate professor of microbiology at Boston University, told Live Science.

One strain, Ebola Reston, doesn't even make people sick. But for the Bundibugyo strain, the fatality rate is up to 50%, and it is up to 71% for the Sudan strain, according to WHO.

Rabies

Although rabies vaccines for pets, which were introduced in the 1920s, have helped make the disease exceedingly rare in the developed world, this condition remains a serious problem in India and parts of Africa.

"It destroys the brain, it's a really, really bad disease," Muhlberger said. "We have a vaccine against rabies, and we have antibodies that work against rabies, so if someone gets bitten by a rabid animal we can treat this person," she said.

However, she said, "if you don't get treatment, there's a 100% possibility you will die."
HIV

In the modern world, the deadliest virus of all may be HIV. "It is still the one that is the biggest killer," said Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician and spokesman for the Infectious Disease Society of America.

An estimated 32 million people have died from HIV since the disease was first recognized in the early 1980s. "The infectious disease that takes the biggest toll on mankind right now is HIV," Adalja said.

Question if this is such a threat to mankind. Why have we not quarantined all people that have tested positive to stop the spread. Until there is a vaccine for it. Instead they pamper and even endorces the very life styles that spread this virus

Powerful antiviral drugs have made it possible for people to live for years with HIV. But the disease continues to devastate many low- and middle-income countries, where 95% of new HIV infections occur. Nearly 1 in every 25 adults within the WHO African region is HIV-positive, accounting for more than two-thirds of the people living with HIV worldwide.  
Smallpox

In 1980, the World Health Assembly declared the world free of smallpox. But before that, humans battled smallpox for thousands of years, and the disease killed about 1 in 3 of those it infected. It left survivors with deep, permanent scars and, often, blindness.

Mortality rates were far higher in populations outside of Europe, where people had little contact with the virus before visitors brought it to their regions.  For example, historians estimate 90% of the native population of the Americas died from smallpox introduced by European explorers. In the 20th century alone, smallpox killed 300 million people.

"It was something that had a huge burden on the planet, not just death but also blindness, and that's what spurred the campaign to eradicate from the Earth," Adalja said.

Hantavirus

Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS) first gained wide attention in the U.S. in 1993, when a healthy, young Navajo man and his fiancée living in the Four Corners area of the United States died within days of developing shortness of breath. A few months later, health authorities isolated hantavirus from a deer mouse living in the home of one of the infected people. More than 600 people in the U.S. have now contracted HPS, and 36% have died from the disease, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The virus is not transmitted from one person to another, rather, people contract the disease from exposure to the droppings of infected mice.

Previously, a different hantavirus caused an outbreak in the early 1950s, during the Korean War, according to a 2010 paper in the journal Clinical Microbiology Reviews. More than 3,000 troops became infected, and about 12% of them died.

While the virus was new to Western medicine when it was discovered in the U.S., researchers realized later that Navajo medical traditions describe a similar illness, and linked the disease to mice.

Influenza

During a typical flu season, up to 500,000 people worldwide will die from the illness, according to WHO. But occasionally, when a new flu strain emerges, a pandemic results with a faster spread of disease and, often, higher mortality rates.

The most deadly flu pandemic, sometimes called the Spanish flu, began in 1918 and sickened up to 40% of the world's population, killing an estimated 50 million people.

"I think that it is possible that something like the 1918 flu outbreak could occur again," Muhlberger said. "If a new influenza strain found its way in the human population, and could be transmitted easily between humans, and caused severe illness, we would have a big problem."

Dengue this one is interesting

Dengue virus first appeared in the 1950s in the Philippines and Thailand, and has since spread throughout the tropical and subtropical regions of the globe. Up to 40% of the world's population now lives in areas where dengue is endemic, and the disease — with the mosquitoes that carry it — is likely to spread farther as the world warms.

Dengue sickens 50 to 100 million people a year, according to WHO. Although the mortality rate for dengue fever is lower than some other viruses, at 2.5%, the virus can cause an Ebola-like disease called dengue hemorrhagic fever, and that condition has a mortality rate of 20% if left untreated. "We really need to think more about dengue virus because it is a real threat to us," Muhlberger said. 

A vaccine for Dengue was approved in 2019 by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration  for use in children 9-16 years old living in an areas where dengue is common and with a confirmed history of virus infection, according to the CDC. In some countries, an approved vaccine is available for those 9-45 years old, but again, recipients must have contracted a confirmed case of dengue in the past. Those who have not caught the virus before could be put at risk of developing severe dengue if given the vaccine.  

Rotavirus

Two vaccines are now available to protect children from rotavirus, the leading cause of severe diarrheal illness among babies and young children. The virus can spread rapidly, through what researchers call the fecal-oral route (meaning that small particles of feces end up being consumed).

Although children in the developed world rarely die from rotavirus infection, the disease is a killer in the developing world, where rehydration treatments are not widely available.

The WHO estimates that worldwide, 453,000 children younger than age 5 died from rotavirus infection in 2008. But countries that have introduced the vaccine have reported sharp declines in rotavirus hospitalizations and deaths.

SARS-CoV 

The virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, first appeared in 2002  in the Guangdong province of southern China, according to the WHO. The virus likely emerged in bats, initially, then hopped into nocturnal mammals called civets before finally infecting humans. After triggering an outbreak in China, SARS spread to 26 countries around the world, infecting more than 8000 people and killing more than 770 over the course of two years. 

The disease causes fever, chills and body aches, and often progresses to pneumonia, a severe condition in which the lungs become inflamed and fill with pus. SARS has an estimated mortality rate of 9.6%, and as of yet, has no approved treatment or vaccine. However, no new cases of SARS have been reported since the early 2000s, according to the CDC. Though it is not being tested for.
SARS-CoV-2. called COVID-19  

SARS-CoV-2 belongs to the same large family of viruses as SARS-CoV, known as coronaviruses, and was first identified in December 2019 in the Chinese city of Wuhan. The virus likely originated in bats, like SARS-CoV, and passed through an intermediate animal before infecting people. 

Since its appearance, the virus has infected tens of thousands of people in China and thousands of others worldwide. The ongoing outbreak prompted an extensive quarantine of Wuhan and nearby cities, restrictions on travel to and from affected countries and a worldwide effort to develop diagnostics, treatments and vaccines.

The disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, called COVID-19, has an estimated mortality rate of about 2.3%. People who are older or have underlying health conditions seem to be most at risk of having severe disease or complications. Common symptoms include fever, dry cough and shortness of breath, and the disease can progress to pneumonia in severe cases.
Obama's 2009 H1N1 Pandemic. This is the pandemic Obama ordered all testing for to be stopped

While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. NOW REMEMBER THESE NUMBERS ARE WRONG BECAUSE OBAMA/BIDEN ORDERED ALL TESTING FOR THIS VIRUS TO BE STOPPED. SO THESE NUMBER ARE NOT CORRECT

But look at these numbers as compared to the United States and remember Obama ordered testing stopped.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.

But under Obama because testing was stopped only 8000 to 18000 died on the books. H1N1 SPANISH FLU 151,700-575,400 DEATHS Verses COVID deaths worldwide 1.17M and these fools did not shut the world down over H1N1 IS THIS A DAMN JOKE. THEY STOPPED TESTING FOR IT....WHY

EXCERPT FROM Article

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flashb ... hite-house

"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases," CBS News reported in 2009. "The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?" Because Obama ordered the CDC to stop


So tell me is this panick justified based of previous pandemics. Worst yet based on what happened under Obama and was covered up. Then talk of forcing people to take vaccine by not allowing them to buy in public.

NO IT IS NOT. This is the fastest way to start a real WAR. Think ANTIFA and BLM burned, looted ect....this will put a target on every politician in America that tries this.

This is not a PANDEMIC based on previous pandemics and history. It's a POLITICAL WEAPON to influence an election.
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There is zero legal authority granted to the government by our Constitution to mandate vaccination of the citizens of this country—ZERO.
It’s not about safety, it’s about CONTROL.
Obey...or else!
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Another fact

H1N1 Swine Flu CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases before they stopped counting.
COVID cases 44 million

Yet again did they shut down the world
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Another fact

Dengue sickens 50 to 100 million people a year, according to WHO. Although the mortality rate for dengue fever is lower than some other viruses, at 2.5%

Using the lower number of 50m that's 1,250,000 deaths a year if you use the higher 100m number that's 2,500,000 deaths a year.

HIV which is a virus going by their numbers that's 800,000 deaths a year for 40 years 32M
HIV can be transmitted by blood, sex, spit in open wounds, eyes from droplets, kissing with open sore in mouth. It extremely easy to spread if caution is not taken. You can have the virus for years

Again COVID 1.17M death

What's up with this bullshit.

Don't take me wrong it's a virus and viruses kill people. But is this a PANDEMIC based upon present viruses and previous viruses. No it's not. Nothing is history has been tested like COVID on this scale. Not even the flu and they stopped testing H1N1 for some reason. Yet because for whatever reason they test this one. Plus have been caught doctoring the numbers and the tests are only about 60% accurate. Damn you can buy a COVID test kit at Sam's club now wtf is this. It only has a 2.5% mortality rate going by these doctored numbers. What the hell is wrong with people's minds

COVID is political and driven by money. Even hospitals get paid by the government for treating COVID patients extra if they are put on ventilator. If money and politics are involved it will be abused and corrupted.

As a matter of fact COVID is BASICALLY what the entire campaign of Biden and the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY is based on. A man-made pandemic that's not even the deadliest if people would just do their own research.

Instead of 2.5% it's more than likely alot lower than that. But hell yeah test every damn one for something and people will have it weather they show signs and symptoms or not.

Then have doctors and big pharm, political leaders ect demand people take the vaccine (money) and even suggest they can not buy without it. Deny AMERICANS to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Like some are doing now. Some places you can't buy unless you wear a mask even if you say you have a reason not to. This is getting out of hand.

Papers or microchip my ass. This rips me and if anyone trys to force me I'm old enough now I don't care. I give shots too. I'm over this crap.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 289948001/ read this bullshit

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/ ... orney-says

https://www.today.com/health/will-covid ... ry-t190838

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/12/cov ... ld-get-it/

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/ar ... ic/2006-04 this one is case law that states you can be forced to take a vaccine for the safety of the state.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... al-mandate

The articles online are stupid. There is a SCOTUS ruling from 1905 that states you can be forced to get a vaccine believe it or not. But the stupidity of the LEFT online is beyond stupid. Talking of denying services, goods, travel, denying entry into businesses. Even SSI benefits, health insurance and benefits. Even losing your job if you refuse the vaccine. Fines, jail even, refusal to renew licences. Basically starve you into submission. These people are crazy

I see some Democrat controlled states starting something their going to wish they had not.
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