Concealed Carry Against a Mob: When To Draw

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Concealed Carry Against a Mob: When To Draw

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One of the best articles I’ve read on the subject.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/conc ... n-to-draw/

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Great info. Thanks.
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Good read. Gonna share that.

I wrote a short article myself on a similar subject:

Q: How to disperse a mob?

A: Splat the leader in the forehead with a suppressed 7.62 from 500+ yds. Mob dispersed. 8-) ;)

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I am sorry, but that case law does NOT apply today where you have Commie DA, Prosecutors, Mayors, Governors and Judges that kneel to the MOB. Whatever rights you used to have under old US case law, no longer applies.

Wait till you have a them as President, inc charge of the Senate and the House - game over.
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Regarding Case 2: Darrell Lunsford it says, "The lesson here for the armed citizen is that even though your attackers might not be armed, if you are armed and become unable to defend yourself, there is a very real chance your attackers will find your gun, take it away from you and murder you with it."

Isn't this exactly what happened to George Zimmerman?

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Flame Red wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:36 am
I am sorry, but that case law does NOT apply today where you have Commie DA, Prosecutors, Mayors, Governors and Judges that kneel to the MOB. Whatever rights you used to have under old US case law, no longer applies.

Wait till you have a them as President, inc charge of the Senate and the House - game over.
Great point...When using your weapon against a MOB: When To Draw. As in title. It baically boils down to only two things really. Perceived Threat vs. Actual Threat and being alert enough to read your surrounding and not let your self get into a situation to draw if possible.

When I say being aware of your surrounding. I mean simply looking around you and being aware. If you see a crowds pay attention to what they are doing and if they are watching you.

In that article. That guy had been attacked before and ended up in the hospital severely hurt. You knew what could and probably would happen again if you went into that mobs of rioters without some sort of security. Heck they probably knew who he was.

It's like this. Your at the beach and you have every right in the world to walk into that water and swim. Except for one thing. There's a hugh hungry GREAT WHITE SHARK swimming right there where you want to swim and it's already ATTACKED 5 swimmers.

But hey your in America and you have a right to swim where ever you want and by God your going into that water and no man eating shark is going to keep you out. That GREAT WHITE is just there waiting for you too. :lol:

See my point. Just because you can, does not mean you should do something.

It's not so much to me the number of mags he was carrying. It's the fact he knew what his actions would cause. Except this time he was prepared to execute those that attacked him. He purposely put himself into a situation that would allow him to use deadly force.

Was he really doing anything wrong. Uh...not really I do not think. But in the same breath, was he baiting them. Setting them up to maybe shoot them. I mean it'd be different if the incident below played out.

Now if he was set up away from them using telephoto lens. Then these rioters charged him and attacked him. I think the out come might have played out a little differently. But yeah what you said about the number of mags I'm sure liberals were involved they'd still be frowned upon.

Think about it, there's not one photo NEWS MEDIA reporter that goes into those riots without security. Except stupid young idiots looking to be the NEWS story themselves.

But also it's how the NEWS MEDIA handles the story at hand. Like the homeowners that came out to defend their home against the rioters. That most certainly would have looted their home and burnt it down. But because that homeowner stood his ground. Guarded his home with a weapon. You know the homeowner I'm talking about. It's been in the NEWS yesterday and today.

The LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA is calling him a WHITE SUPREMACIST RACIST for not allowing the rioters to ransack his home.
F the LIBERAL SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS LEFT WING NEWS MEDIA lead by example and let the rioters loot, burn their homes first.

It's like shootings too.

If a lunatic goes back to the office after being fired and kills his boss and two coworkers, it’s national news for days.

If the same lunatic shoots his ex-wife and two kids instead, it’s local news...maybe not even the lead story.

So when do you draw your weapon. Only you can really decide that. Based upon the situation you are in. Because every single situation will be different, so there's no fit all anawer.

But remember this. Even though we may have a right to be some place here in Florida and do not have to retreat. If at any moment before it reaches the point it becomes deadly. Could you have walked away. Me I'm walking away if I can. I have nothing to prove to anyone.

Now it will only go so far though and again it depends on the situation. Because all situations are different. But if it is something stupid I'm walking away or I'll man up and apoligize.

No life is worth your pride. Words are just that words from idiots. Just so long as no one touches you or your family I'd walk away.

But be clear. If at any time it reaches a point that you feel that your life or the lives of your loved ones are threatened. If you feel you can not get away because you been blocked from leaving and are being held against your will. If they have weapons of any kind.

Use common sense. I'm not saying to pull your weapon and flash it, don't do that. It could make matters worst. Plus you've lost you element of surprise.

But if it come to the point that you must pull a weapon. Pull it only when you have no choice but to use it. Then use it to stop the threat.

Then retreat to a safe place and call L.E. don't worry about recording people will already be doing that. You just watch what's going on around you. But if you are attacked by a MOB you do what you must do to survive.

Now once your safe you can record scene from a safe distance if possible while waiting for police. Just in case they start removing things. Plus I'm positive the local businesses will have survelence video.

But if your caught out in public by a MOB do your best to get out of it. Otherwise you do what you must to survive. These are not protesters, these are thugs, criminals using the protest as a cover to commit crimes. Just use common sense and remain as calm as possible. Remove all jewelry anything that could draw attention to you also.

What's that old saying better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, or in a damn wheelchair or being a vegetable the rest of your life from being beaten.

Also remember this. Your not an action hero. You can't fight 4,5 or 6 guys and win. Your going to be seriously hurt or maybe killed. You do whatever you must and when I say whatever. I mean it. You use whatever force you must use. Because once you are attacked in a MOB situation. They turn into wild animals. They will mutilate you even after they've killed you. Just depends how much drugs they are on.
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Seems to me, smart people stay away from bad areas in the first place, regardless of whether you have the right to be there, or else you could be “dead right”.
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dammitgriff wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:54 pm
Seems to me, smart people stay away from bad areas in the first place, regardless of whether you have the right to be there, or else you could be “dead right”.
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Most people do. But say you go out to eat. Then while you eating and by the time you get ready you leave. A protest/riot/mob formed outside the area your in. Your caught in it. Maybe on your way home you turn down a street right into a MOB marching. You can't turn around. All kinds of things can happen and have happened.

That caught innocient people, no trapped INNOCIENT PEOPLE in these mobs. They were not looking for these mobs nor trouble. They were victims. Believe it or not there are alot of people that do not track these things online or watch the NEWS.

They end up becoming victims of lawlessness and CRIMINALS using protests as a cover to commit crimes. Then introduce ANTIFA and BLM thugs and you have ANARCHY.

For the most part the only people that go to the mobs are the one's involved in them. The good decent people don't go there or participate in this crap. They are the ones the MOB are attacking out searching for. Trying to catch on a street coming from out eating or some other entertainment on the streets over.

Don't confuse the MOB with the GOOD people. Because they are not there.
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What about a situation in which the police have been ordered to stand down, whether not even there, or standing back? You get attacked....
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I ended up in the middle of a pack of dirt-bike/hood-rat "protesters" on a non-protest day (e.g. It wasn't MLK day)...and the police STOPPED TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION to let these sheet-stains through (thank you BSO :roll: )! I rolled down the window and yelled to the cops "WTF?". They shrugged and waved me on.

Luckily one of the little dirt-merchants fell and the pack stopped to assist. I was able to get down the road ahead of them. Had the missus in the car, too...it wasn't a good situation.

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