How Is This Not A Machine Gun?

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TC6969
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How Is This Not A Machine Gun?

Post by TC6969 »

They even admit to breaking the rules in the description!

How are they getting away with this?
Specifications:
Caliber .22 Win Mag
Capacity 8 Rounds
Barrel Length 1 1/4
Cylinder Material High Strength Steel
System Double Barrel Double Action Revolver, Two Rounds Fired With Each Pull of the Trigger
Frame Material 7075 Aircraft Grade Aluminum with Anodized Finish
Safety Integral Articulated Trigger Safety, Transfer Bar Blocks Firing Pins From Hammers
Barrel Material Steel
Grip Polymer


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Post by Gregg »

Maybe: Two triggers, each fire only one shot when pulled.
But the second trigger shown in the photo could just be a Glock like safety.

There have been a number of firearms put on the market over the last ten years or so, that really skirt the definition of a Machine Gun and/or a Short Barreled Rifle/Shotgun.

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Post by Skeezix »

Maybe because it has two barrels?

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Post by flcracker »

I would assume that they rely on the fact that it doesn't automatically reload without an additional manual function. I'd be curious to see their ATF letter, though.
Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
....and some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony road-makers run daft - they say it is to see how the warld was made!
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Post by rentprop1 »

you're reading into this too much, we've seen a few of these and they've sold thousands, no one would drop that kind of coin of full production without and approval....its been talked about all over Google how it works and why its GTGo

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Post by lakelandman »

Everybody's got plans... until they get hit.

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Post by MiamiOffshore »

My understanding is, what looks like a "glock" trigger (integrated safety) is in fact itself a trigger, thus you're pulling two triggers that actuate two firing mechanisms 'triggering' two barrels.

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Post by imnotryan »

Because it is considered a "Volly gun". There have been such guns before, even another by the same company.

It utilizes two chambers and two barrels during firing. The ATF's wording = "automatically" and have through multiple decisions shown that the intent of the word is about the firearm-specific automatic function of the weapons action - not automatic as in a washing machine that turns off automatically.

This gun does not automatically function it's action when you hold the trigger down. Further supporting it's usage as a "volly gun" is that it fires both shots at the exact same time. The trigger mechanism is only capable of performing one action per pull. It drops the hammer. It does not support the ability to reset and drop the hammer again "automatically".

The short answer? Because they said so.

Volly guns may well be outlawed as machine guns in the future...
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