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by **BaywaterRoss** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:13 pm

Here are the pix of the disassembled components. The disassembly process was quite easy, actually. I had no problems.

There is surface rust on some non-moving components, as well as some on the underside of the bolt.

Here are both sides of the trigger group/mag well assembly.

The top and bottom of the bolt.

And finally, the notorious firing pin, which will be replaced.

by **DarrylS** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:16 pm

...Looking good Ross. You've really put a lot of thought into my head about the virtue of changing out the damn firing pin in my Model 100. Should I leave it as "original" or should I make the modification to make it "safe" with the new firing pin. If I do decide to do the change-out...I'll lose the original firing pin to Winchester. Then mine is NOT "original"...I wish I knew if the .308 and .284 pins were the same.

I can't wait to see how your's comes out. From what I see of the parts, you have all the makings of a really nice Model 100 sitting there. Does the bolt have a hole to accept the slotted block that the new firing pin will have to slip through?? How long did Winchester say it would take for the new pin to arrive?

by **BaywaterRoss** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:17 pm

DarrylS wrote:[smilie=pdt_xtremez_30.gif] ...Looking good Ross. You've really put a lot of thought into my head about the virtue of changing out the damn firing pin in my Model 100. Should I leave it as "original" or should I make the modification to make it "safe" with the new firing pin. If I do decide to do the change-out...I'll lose the original firing pin to Winchester. Then mine is NOT "original"...I wish I knew if the .308 and .284 pins were the same.

I can't wait to see how your's comes out. From what I see of the parts, you have all the makings of a really nice Model 100 sitting there. Does the bolt have a hole to accept the slotted block that the new firing pin will have to slip through?? How long did Winchester say it would take for the new pin to arrive?

I believe that when Winchester sends me the new firing pin that a new slotted bolt retaining pin will be included in the package. My new pin should be here in a couple weeks, depending on the mail. No rush.

Once I receive the new pin, I'll reassemble the rifle and take it to the range for function and accuracy testing. After that's done, I'll tear it down again and begin the cleanup and camo project. At the moment, I'm waiting for my buddy to bring his old shotgun over, which will be used as a test bed for the camo job process.

As for your rifle, maybe you could call Winchester and see if they'd just sell you a new firing pin and bolt retaining pin. That way, if you ever decided to sell it, you could not only offer your gun in original condition, but also a new, unused recall firing pin. Just a thought.

by **DarrylS** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:57 pm

*** Just found out that the firing pins for the .308, 243 and the .284 are all the same... [smilie=pdt_xtremez_13.gif]

...Also found that Winchester will not send the new firing pin til they receive the old one from the owner... [smilie=012.gif]

...It's supposedly a liability issue... rw:

by **BaywaterRoss** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:00 pm

DarrylS wrote:*** Just found out that the firing pins for the .308, 243 and the .284 are all the same... ...Also found that Winchester will not send the new firing pin til they receive the old one from the owner...

Bummer. It's probably some liability thing.

by **DarrylS** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:02 pm

...Yep...a liability issue...

by **BaywaterRoss** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:49 pm

DarrylS wrote:...Yep...a liability issue...

I guess the liability issue must be wandering around in the back of your mind as well... if you ever do sell your rifle.

by **DarrylS** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:24 am

...Not really Ross...If I ever do sell it, I will make sure that I've either changed out the firing pin or will have a new firing pin available for the buyer. I'm not seeing this Model 100 being sold in the near future anyway. I may end up doing what you are doing and find a beater and redo it to make it a shooter.

There have always been a few grumbles about the Model 100 and it's performance like there have been about almost every firearm ever made. I've also read about and heard from some long time shooters, that it is one of the finest semi-automatic sporting arms ever made. It seems they were within a hare's whisker of chambering it in .358 Win. when the ruling hierarchy at Winchester stopped production. Now THAT woulda been a round to launch down range...LOL...In any event...I look forward to your project completion and maybe I'll be able to follow suit when you're done...

by **BaywaterRoss** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:51 am

DarrylS wrote::-k ...Not really Ross...If I ever do sell it, I will make sure that I've either changed out the firing pin or will have a new firing pin available for the buyer. I'm not seeing this Model 100 being sold in the near future anyway. I may end up doing what you are doing and find a beater and redo it to make it a shooter.

There have always been a few grumbles about the Model 100 and it's performance like there have been about almost every firearm ever made. I've also read about and heard from some long time shooters, that it is one of the finest semi-automatic sporting arms ever made. It seems they were within a hare's whisker of chambering it in .358 Win. when the ruling hierarchy at Winchester stopped production. Now THAT woulda been a round to launch down range...LOL...In any event...I look forward to your project completion and maybe I'll be able to follow suit when you're done...

Yes, I'd read about some folks having issues with the rifle, but on closer scrutiny, their problems were always due to insufficient cleaning and maintenance. Specifically, failure to keep the gas tube clean, resulting in locked up bolts. And like you, I've read great reviews by folks who have owned these fine old guns.

As I go along with the project, I'll keep things posted here.

by **BaywaterRoss** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:16 pm

A buddy came over today and I showed him the disassembled rifle and we discussed the project. During that conversation I managed to get a picture of the barrel rifling from the breech end. Looks okay to me.

by **DarrylS** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:29 pm

...Yep...Doesn't appear to be anything stuck up there... [smilie=011.gif]

by **DarrylS** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:09 pm

...Have ya started the "camo" job on your stock or barrel and receiver yet Ross?... [smilie=pdt_xtremez_23.gif]

...Just wondered how it's coming along. Did you get your new firing pin from Winchester? I got mine in the mail yesterday... [smilie=pdt_xtremez_30.gif]

...( Mon 02/29 )...

by **BaywaterRoss** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:51 pm

DarrylS wrote:...Have ya started the "camo" job on your stock or barrel and receiver yet Ross?... ...Just wondered how it's coming along. Did you get your new firing pin from Winchester? I got mine in the mail yesterday... ...( Mon 02/29 )...

No way! I haven't received my firing pin yet. Can't believe ya beat me to it.

Haven't done any work on the rifle. Am waiting for the firing pin first. Once that arrives, I'm going to reassemble the rifle and take it to the range for some test firing before I tear it down for the camo job.

And I'm also waiting for my buddy to bring his old shotgun over... that's going to be the testbed for the camo stuff. Unlike me, that young man is not retired and has to do that whole "work for a living" thing, so he doesn't have as much free time as I do. [smilie=011.gif]

But, I'm a patient man.

Meanwhile, I've been working on archery and hunting stuff.

by **DarrylS** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:07 pm

BaywaterRoss wrote:No way! I haven't received my firing pin yet. Can't believe ya beat me to it.

...Could be because I didn't get it from Winchester. I called them and they absolutely wouldn't send me one until I sent them my old one. I want to keep the "original" pin, to keep my Model 100 as manufactured, so I had to look for another source. I found a guy on GunBroker who had a brand new one and I snagged it. He sent it out before I could even get the check in the mail. Now I have the "best" of both worlds...LMAO...so to speak... [smilie=pdt_xtremez_13.gif]

by **BaywaterRoss** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:09 pm

DarrylS wrote:
BaywaterRoss wrote:No way! I haven't received my firing pin yet. Can't believe ya beat me to it.

...Could be because I didn't get it from Winchester. I called them and they absolutely wouldn't send me one until I sent them my old one. I want to keep the "original" pin, to keep my Model 100 as manufactured, so I had to look for another source. I found a guy on GunBroker who had a brand new one and I snagged it. He sent it out before I could even get the check in the mail. Now I have the "best" of both worlds...LMAO...so to speak...

Oh cool! That is awesome. I'm glad you were able get a new one and keep the old one. The best of both worlds, indeed! :ber

by **BaywaterRoss** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:30 pm

Yeheyy! Got my new firing pin today, along with the gift card. If I have time, I'll reassemble the rifle tomorrow. Will post pix of the new pin too.

by **DarrylS** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:03 pm

by **BaywaterRoss** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:12 pm

Okay, I got the rifle back together and only have one extra part left over! [smilie=011.gif]

(It's leftover from the old firing pin assembly.)

Everything works smoothly again and it will charge and go click when the trigger is pulled. Time to go to the range! I bought some Winchester Power Point and will use that as a starting point for ammo testing.

My buddy was over this evening and we reassembled the rifle and discussed the camo job on his testbed shotgun. He's all set to proceed, except for the $100 for the dip kit. Ahhh.. the realities of life. Heh.

by **DarrylS** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:35 pm

BaywaterRoss wrote:Okay, I got the rifle back together and only have one extra part left over!
(It's leftover from the old firing pin assembly.)

...

...Ahhh...That's the part replaced by that neat sleeve that came with the new pin huh???...Looking good. Where'd ya pick up the ammo? Can't wait to see how it shoots and how that "dip job" turns out... [smilie=pdt_xtremez_30.gif]

by **BaywaterRoss** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:41 pm

DarrylS wrote:
BaywaterRoss wrote:Okay, I got the rifle back together and only have one extra part left over!
(It's leftover from the old firing pin assembly.)

... ...Ahhh...That's the part replaced by that neat sleeve that came with the new pin huh???...Looking good. Where'd ya pick up the ammo? Can't wait to see how it shoots and how that "dip job" turns out...

Yah, that pin has the small circular hole for the old firing pin. I got this box of ammo from Wal Mart, but yesterday I did order a box of Winchester Power Max from my local gun shop. It should be here in a week or so.

I also talked with the gunsmith there about disassembling and reassembling my trigger group. I don't have a video to guide me for that one and don't feel comfortable taking it apart myself. The 'smith agreed to do the job for me and then reassembling it after I refinish that group. Cool.

That gunsmith also does refinishing work and we chatted about that a bit as well.

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