FL Sheriff Bob Gualtieri (R) on Stand Your Ground - He ain't on our side & wants us disarmed.

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FL Sheriff Bob Gualtieri (R) on Stand Your Ground - He ain't on our side & wants us disarmed.

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In explaining why he didn't arrest the shooter, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri (Republican) told reporters his hands were tied because the stand-your-ground law "created a standard" for the use of deadly force. | Courtesy of POLITICO

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri (Republican) has stated that in enacting Florida's stand your ground law, the legislature "created a standard, that is a largely subjective standard" for the use of deadly force by a shooter. The good Sheriff also stated that his agency and his deputies could be civilly liable if they arrested Michael Drejka.


"My decision not to arrest is not condoning or approving," Gualtieri told Bay News 9 of the shooting.


For those who don't know, Sheriff Gualtieri is no friend of the 2nd Amendment.

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When open carry was being considered in the legislature a few sessions back, Sheriff Gualtieri said that law abiding Floridians in his jurisdiction who carried openly would "At a minimum, [sic] they're going to be thrown down on the ground with a gun pointed at them or worse."


Sheriff Gualtieri's attitude towards the Second Amendment and armed self defense amongst the citizenry is one of contempt and scorn. He believes that stand your ground gives shooters criminal immunity, makes an arresting agency civilly liable, and law enforcement impossible.


He views Stand Your Ground Laws as if it were the central plot device of Lethal Weapon 2.


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He truly tells the public that because of it he can't take any enforcement action whatsoever and it writes a blank check for shooting. (He also has a five man task force assigned to go after gun owners with the new Red Flag Risk Protection Order Law and Pinellas County is number two behind Coward... err... I meant Broward County in gu confiscations. So far over 200 guns and 30,000 rounds of ammo in the last four months.)


But Sheriff Gualtieri is plainly wrong.

"Nothing in either the 2005 law or the 2017 law prohibits a Sheriff from making an arrest in a case where a person claims self-defense if there is probable cause that the use of force was unlawful," said Marion Hammer, Tallahassee's NRA lobbyist who helped shepherd "stand your ground" through the GOP-led Florida Legislature.


"Nothing in the law says a person can sue the Sheriff for making an arrest when there is probable cause," Hammer added in an emailed statement to POLITICO.
Even fellow Florida Republicans are turning on Sheriff Gualtieri.


Sen. Dennis Baxley (R), who sponsored the law in 2005 when he was a member of the Florida House said the law clearly says a person using deadly force in self-defense must "reasonably" believe it's necessary.


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"'Stand your ground' uses a reasonable-person standard. It's not that you were just afraid," Baxley said. "It's an objective standard." NY Times

Sen. Rob Bradley (R) who sponsored the 2017 legislation that says authorities must show with "clear and convincing evidence" that there are grounds to prosecute a Stand Your Ground defendant stated;


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"An individual using a gun in self-defense in Florida must have an objective, reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm. This idea that Florida law is concerned about the subjective perceptions of a shooter is wrong."

Even more shocking, the members of the Florida legal system stating that Sheriff Gualtieri is wrong.

Former Broward County prosecutor Fausto Sanchez said standard jury instructions for these cases, he said, say the defense is appropriate if a "reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could have been avoided only through the use of that force." Sanchez said "that's the objective standard. When the sheriff says he's taking the shooter's word for it, that's incomplete. That's not the standard."


What's more, Sanchez said, the sheriff failed to take into account another part of the self-defense statute that says a person can use or threaten "force, except deadly force" if "the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force."


Echoing those comments, Alachua County Public Defender Stacy A. Scott said: "I just don't agree with the sheriff's assessment at all. This is a guess, but I wonder if this is a political tactic on his part because it sounds like he doesn't like the law."- POLITICO

In the end, it appears that the Sheriff is sensing which ways the political winds are blowing in Pinellas County and he wants to stay in office. So he is once again, he's blaming the Second Amendment.


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Let me condense all that down to this:
He doesn’t want common citizens to have the same power to defend themselves that law enforcement has when faced with an imminent threat to life or limb.
Piss on this sheriff and his egotistical ass. If open carry is such a threat to society, then perhaps we best disarm the cops first. Ironic that it’s always the ones protected by the state that get away with murder.
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I truly hate to say this and I really do. But from Law Enforcement's track record. They have shot and either wounded or killed wayyyy more innocient American citizens in their so called screw ups, I mean line of duty.

Than Americans practicing their Second Admendment RIGHTS by ten fold. I'm refering to CWL HOLDERS

When LEOs murder an innocient American CITIZEN. I use this very harsh word MURDER simply because given the exact same circumstances that a LEOs committed their shootings we as gun owners WOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER IN SOME DEGREE.

But LEOs shoot an innocient American by mistake or under questionable circumstances such as raiding the wrong houses, mistaken cell phones for guns, one cop ordering a person to do one thing while their partner is yelling for them to do the complete opposite and he get's shot for guess what basically not following commands. The list goes on and on.

L.E. HIDES BEHIDE THEIR UNIONS and BADGES and always state that it was committed in the line of duty and therefore excusable. Nothing happens to them and the family get's taxpayer money. L.E. and Unions basically buy their way out of it.

When we again under the exact same conditions, circumstances, the same everything. Would be arrested for murder of some kind.

So my question is, WHAT PUTS THESE ENFORCERS OF THE LAW.......ABOVE THE LAWS THEY ENFORCE UPON ON US.

This notion that Americans respect LE that is true just to an extent. But let's be perfectly HONEST, AMERICANS FEAR L.E. MORE THAN THEY RESPECT L.E.

Think I'm joking, just ask anyone on the street without a TV camera pointing at them. Privately Americans FEAR L.E. and do not trust them. Simply from either their encounters or the things they've seen them commit and get away with.

That they know they would have been buried under the jail for. Even when caught and sentenced they get a slap on the hand 99% of the time compared to what we'd get.

THEN Americans have to tolerate L.E. openly saying things like this against honest Law ABIDING AMERICANS. Threatening Americans for obeying the laws they are suppose to follow.

Cherry picking what laws they will enforce as far as gun laws goes. Saying they will throw down honest gun owning Americans to the ground even if obeying the gun laws if open carry were legal. Maybe even shooting them.

These are LAW Enforcement Officers threatening Law ABIDING American Citizens.

Am I the only one that has a problem with these LEFT WING SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS that are wearing a badge and ignoring the CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS.

Now I may not agree with this shooting. Let's make this clear. BUT IF THAT HAD BEEN ONE OF THIS SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES THIS HAPPENED TO. WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SHERIFF WOULD BE SAYING ABOUT HIS DEPUTY SHOOTING THIS AGGRESSOR.

100% JUSTIFIED SHOOTING BY MY DEPUTY. So strictly from a political or Florida Law viuew point. What makes your life, my life, your son's life or any other Americans life. Any less valuable than a LEOs life.

Please don't say they are protecting us. Because the SCOTUS RULED THAT IS NOT THEIR JOB. They know this to. LEOs knows that their ONLY job is to enforce the laws not protect life or property.
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Sheriff Bob has the same antigun attitude that the two before him had (Rice & Coats). Peasants should NOT have firearms. :evil:
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Firemedic2000 wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:19 am I truly hate to say this and I really do. But from Law Enforcement's track record. They have shot and either wounded or killed wayyyy more innocient American citizens in their so called screw ups, I mean line of duty.

Than Americans practicing their Second Admendment RIGHTS by ten fold. I'm refering to CWL HOLDERS

When LEOs murder an innocient American CITIZEN. I use this very harsh word MURDER simply because given the exact same circumstances that a LEOs committed their shootings we as gun owners WOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER IN SOME DEGREE.

But LEOs shoot an innocient American by mistake or under questionable circumstances such as raiding the wrong houses, mistaken cell phones for guns, one cop ordering a person to do one thing while their partner is yelling for them to do the complete opposite and he get's shot for guess what basically not following commands. The list goes on and on.

L.E. HIDES BEHIDE THEIR UNIONS and BADGES and always state that it was committed in the line of duty and therefore excusable. Nothing happens to them and the family get's taxpayer money. L.E. and Unions basically buy their way out of it.

When we again under the exact same conditions, circumstances, the same everything. Would be arrested for murder of some kind.

So my question is, WHAT PUTS THESE ENFORCERS OF THE LAW.......ABOVE THE LAWS THEY ENFORCE UPON ON US.

This notion that Americans respect LE that is true just to an extent. But let's be perfectly HONEST, AMERICANS FEAR L.E. MORE THAN THEY RESPECT L.E.

Think I'm joking, just ask anyone on the street without a TV camera pointing at them. Privately Americans FEAR L.E. and do not trust them. Simply from either their encounters or the things they've seen them commit and get away with.

That they know they would have been buried under the jail for. Even when caught and sentenced they get a slap on the hand 99% of the time compared to what we'd get.

THEN Americans have to tolerate L.E. openly saying things like this against honest Law ABIDING AMERICANS. Threatening Americans for obeying the laws they are suppose to follow.

Cherry picking what laws they will enforce as far as gun laws goes. Saying they will throw down honest gun owning Americans to the ground even if obeying the gun laws if open carry were legal. Maybe even shooting them.

These are LAW Enforcement Officers threatening Law ABIDING American Citizens.

Am I the only one that has a problem with these LEFT WING SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS that are wearing a badge and ignoring the CONSTITUTION and BILL of RIGHTS.

Now I may not agree with this shooting. Let's make this clear. BUT IF THAT HAD BEEN ONE OF THIS SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES THIS HAPPENED TO. WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SHERIFF WOULD BE SAYING ABOUT HIS DEPUTY SHOOTING THIS AGGRESSOR.

100% JUSTIFIED SHOOTING BY MY DEPUTY. So strictly from a political or Florida Law viuew point. What makes your life, my life, your son's life or any other Americans life. Any less valuable than a LEOs life.

Please don't say they are protecting us. Because the SCOTUS RULED THAT IS NOT THEIR JOB. They know this to. LEOs knows that their ONLY job is to enforce the laws not protect life or property.
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Miami_JBT wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:53 am
You are aware I'm LE right?
somehow I don't think that's relevant to his statement or opinion
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This was basically his way of passing the buck rather than having Trayvon trial 2.0 on his hands. Thankfully the "victim" in this shooting was a violent felon and a general piece of shit rather than a small innocent child who could do no wrong. :roll:
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MikeFL86 wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:40 am This was basically his way of passing the buck rather than having Trayvon trial 2.0 on his hands. Thankfully the "victim" in this shooting was a violent felon and a general piece of shit rather than a small innocent child who could do no wrong. :roll:
I was surprised the news wasn't showing all his baby photos when reporting it.
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MikeFL86 wrote:This was basically his way of passing the buck rather than having Trayvon trial 2.0 on his hands. Thankfully the "victim" in this shooting was a violent felon and a general piece of shit rather than a small innocent child who could do no wrong. Image
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Gualtieri is using this to make a point against SYG. Been saying that since he first spoke about it. All agenda driven...... I have to follow this law, it can (should) be changed.......
I found an excellent gun control law we should all follow. It's called the Second Amendment.
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