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I was arguing with another at the Miami shoot that the AR once had a 1/14 twist and no one would believe it

here it is sucker

The damage caused by the .223 (5.56mm) "varmint"[24] bullet was observed and originally believed to be caused by "tumbling" due to the slow 1 in 14-inch (360 mm) rifling twist rate.[25] However, this twist rate only made the bullet less stable in air.[25] Any pointed lead core bullet will turn base over point ("tumble") after penetration in flesh, because the center of gravity is aft of the center of the projectile.[25] The large wounds observed by soldiers in Vietnam were actually caused by projectile fragmentation, which was created by a combination of the projectile's velocity and construction.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_%28rifle%29#History

The Colt 601 had a 1/14 twist. The 602 model changed it to 1/12 twist.

where were you when that big ginger was running his mouth

Rentprop1 wrote:where were you when that big ginger was running his mouth

I was probably doing a mag dump. I blew through 600 rounds of 556 that day.

Rentprop1 wrote:I was arguing with another at the Miami shoot that the AR once had a 1/14 twist and no one would believe it

You'll find the same info in Duncan Long's "The Complete AR15/M16 Sourcebook." You mean you don't have a copy?

mjmensale wrote:

Rentprop1 wrote:I was arguing with another at the Miami shoot that the AR once had a 1/14 twist and no one would believe it

You'll find the same info in Duncan Long's "The Complete AR15/M16 Sourcebook." You mean you don't have a copy?

I don't. I am waiting for the release of:
"The Complete AR15 Piston Source book because DI is not worth writing about"

those of you who LONG for an piston AR , should have just bought an AK

I'm not sure I would trust Wikipedia as a completely reliable source however. They did at one time report that the moon was made of cheese.

aquajon wrote:I'm not sure I would trust Wikipedia as a completely reliable source however. They did at one time report that the moon was made of cheese.

It also at one time said Obama was a monkey and Quest was straight

A very reliable source. http://www.retroblackrifle.com/

Click on the 601. Yep 1/14.

If this is the same Ginger that leaves toys on the roof of his car, well what did you expect?

Rentprop1 wrote:those of you who LONG for an piston AR , should have just bought an AK

I have bought maybe 6 or so of those over years thinking it is a reliable sure fire weapon and every time I go to the range I am reminded I don't like poor ergonomics, lousy accuracy, sloppy junking guns.

I agree the piston is about as reliable as one can be and that is why I bought a PWS MK114 because that AR piston platform is based on the AK gas system (so is the very reliable Daewoo DR100/200.)

So, I have the things good about an AK without having to put up with all the things I do not like about an AK and I have an M4 I don't have to clean that is reliable, accurate with great ergonomics and a Geissele trigger that is wonderful.

Yes, I want my cake and I want to eat it too!!!

Wulfmann

George W wrote:A very reliable source. http://www.retroblackrifle.com/

Click on the 601. Yep 1/14.

If this is the same Ginger that leaves toys on the roof of his car, well what did you expect?

shut it. I know better than that, and not only could have corroborated the info, but even provided an example if he really wanted. so

yep, I prefer the rate of 1/12 or 1/14 for 55gr rounds, they perform better in soft tissue as they are barely stabilized so they are accurate and when they hit they tumble magnificiently. I had a M16A1 upper w/ a 1/12 or 1/14 and loved it

aquajon wrote:I'm not sure I would trust Wikipedia as a completely reliable source however. They did at one time report that the moon was made of cheese.

And who are you to say it isn't? No one has actually been there after all.

7thCavTrooper wrote:No one has actually been there after all.

remember " One small step for man, a giant leap for mankind " back in 1969 , a few guys did
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Rentprop1 wrote:remember " One small step for man, a giant leap for mankind " back in 1969 , a few guys did

That was faked. Didn't you ever see the movie Capricorn One?