Florida Shooters Network

On WTVT, FOX13, Doug Smith will be showing the world just how easy it is to get a CCW from Florida.
Comparing a CCW and buying cheese steaks?
I can't wait to see this

Be sure to put a link to the station when they have the video up. We all don't get the same local channels.

I think there calling it a permit to get a gun.... at least thats how I perceive it.

Out of state CCW permits for non residents are too easy to get?
As soon as I can find the video or link it'll be here.

Please do. Because on my fox at 10 (wogx) it was about some mother helping her daughter fight the daughters bully.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/i ... its-020112

Doug Smith's Investigation.

I LOL'd hard at the internet trolling piece.

Casual wrote:I LOL'd hard at the internet trolling piece.

(I get it)

There are so many quotes in there so many of use could\can\ and \will ridicule I'll just stick to,
Its PA. Jeez.

Before it disappears......

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/investigates/florida-concealed-weapons-permits-020112



States take aim at Florida's gun permits

FOX 13 Investigates

Updated: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 11:08 PM EST
Published : Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 10:38 PM EST

Doug Smith
FOX 13 Investigative reporter

TAMPA - It's easier than ever to carry a concealed weapon in this country, and a large number of handgun owners are getting permission from Florida -- even gun owners who don't live here.

Florida has issued more than 100,000 concealed weapons permits to people who live across the country in places like California, New York, Texas, and Pennsylvania.

"They are making it as easy to carry a gun concealed as it is to buy a cheese steak, and that is dangerous for everybody," complained Bryan Lentz, a former Pennsylvania state representative who now works for Philadelphia's Gun Violence Task Force.

He's been fighting for years against what he calls the "Florida Loophole," a permit that can be obtained by mail without ever setting foot in Florida.

"This is carrying a concealed gun on the street. It's not in your house or even in your collection; it's carrying on the street in a concealed manner."

Adam Putnam, Florida's commissioner of agriculture and consumer services, is in charge of issuing concealed weapons permits.

"If they meet Florida's statutory requirements," he explained, "which means they have gone though a class and have not been convicted of a crime and are a citizen of the United States, that's among the criteria that would make them eligible for a Florida-based permit."

Nowhere is opposition stronger than in the city of Philadelphia. That's because Florida has issued more than 900 concealed weapons permits to people living in Philadelphia.

"Local control is out the window if you can just mail to Florida and get a permit sent to you even if you've never been to that state,” said Lentz.

Last year, the issue hit a boiling point when it was revealed that a murder suspect in Philadelphia had a concealed weapons permit issued by Florida and he was denied one in his home state.

"That's ridiculous," observed Darrell Clark, president of the Philadelphia City Council. "We actually have documented cases where individuals have committed crimes, some very significant, and had a Florida permit. Had they gone through our guidelines they would not have been able to carry on gun on the streets of Philadelphia."

That's because in Philadelphia, like some other places around the country, character counts.

"We have a character provision here and so local law enforcement is going to look at you and you might not have any convictions but they know you are involved in the drug trade, or you associate with violent people and they are going to say we don't want you to have a permit," explained Lentz.

But in Florida, there's no character provision. It takes a criminal conviction -- if the applicant meets the other basic other requirements -- to deny a permit.

"We shouldn't be recognizing a permit that doesn't have a character provision," Lentz proclaimed. "They don't know a damn thing and the people who run it is the Department of Agriculture, so it’s not even technically a law enforcement agency."

Commissioner Putman had strong words for Lentz. "If he doesn't like it, he can take it up with the Pennsylvania Legislature. Other than that, they are just whining."

Federal legislation passed by the House of Representatives last year has brought the issue to the forefront. It would require every state to honor other states' concealed weapons permits.

The bill, called the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011, was introduced by Congressmen Cliff Stearns (R-Ocala).

"I think it's reflective of the conservative mainstream thinking in Florida, particularly north central Florida, which I represent," he said.

It would allow a person who holds a concealed weapons permit in one state to carry the weapon across state lines to anywhere in the United States, with the exception of Illinois.

Congressmen Stearns says most crimes do not involve people who are legally carrying a concealed weapon and says statistics back up his claim.

"If you really, really don't like my bill, lobby your congressmen and maybe you have some good ideas to change this bill," he offered. "But in the main, I think that people recognize the fundamental idea of a concealed weapons permit in 49 states and it should be recognized just like a driver's license

I see that SS Tampa is still allowing Fox News to film in their store. Its sad, yet not unexpected, they allow this to occur based on the shit filled reports that end up making the news time and time again. Just another example of that location being out of touch with the shooting community.

To the lady that "pointed a gun in his face"..... you really need to rethink your tactics. That Mexican standoff shit is gonna get you killed or worse, jacked up for life.

Doug, you need to use the correct terminology and not make it sound like people need a permit to own a firearm. Oh.... unless that was your intent all along.

Philly - 904 "permits" (funny how this incorrect terminology was used while displaying an Application for Concealed Weapon/Firearm License in the video) were issued in the most violent neighborhoods, however Clark was only able to cite "a couple of documented cases" (which was misquoted in the text of the article and totally changes his statement) by individuals with a "Florida permit to carry". In other words, out of 904 "permits", only two documented cases. So that means 902 (approximately) responsible gun owners haven't committed a crime. Gez, I can see how that raises a red flag. God forbid people living in the ghetto wanting to protect themselves and their families.

Here's a link to the shooting that Clark referred to - http://articles.philly.com/2010-09-16/n ... hia-police

Here's an article detailing the shooting and some important facts - http://www.firearmstruth.com/tag/marqus-hill

They used to call that neighborhood "The Badlands" around the time I moved to Florida. Imagine applying for a CCW based on "Character" while living in one of the worst crime areas in the USA?
And of all the out of state permits, how many have been revoked for crimes committed?
I was expecting Art from Pasco to be in the video somewhere.
So, will that all become moot with the passage of Stern's bill?
And doesn't Alabama still have a loose form of "May Issue"?

Yep, Alabama is still a "may issue" state. The local CLEO can deny your application for any reason. Keep in mind it's Alabama. Right now there are few CLEOs that will deny you a permit, but there are some who will and that number could always take a dramatic shift.

Putnam will get my vote thats for sure! He sounds pretty PRO 2A!

I have no problem ending non-resident CWPs.

I don't think anyone not residing in the state of Florida should be issued a permit either. It's not a 2a issue, if you live here then by all means you have the right to get a permit, if you don't then I'm sorry I don't think you should be able to get one.

If the Philly folks are so disturbed just have the STATE stop recognizing other states CCW's.

I looked but couldn't find my answer to "can a PA resident use a Non-resident CCW issued by another state to carry?"

Personally I don't like the Fla Non-resident CCW.
I know the snow bird arguement, and I don't buy it.

AFS

I am more than a little surprised at the people that don’t like non-resident weapons licenses!

Keeping and bearing arms is about freedom and shouldn’t be licensed, much less restricted to “residents.”

Anything else is anti-freedom.

Our founding fathers knew that all freedom is irrevocably tied to force; they go hand-in-hand. Any freedoms we enjoy would quickly disappear without firearms.

Smith

AirForceShooter wrote:If the Philly folks are so disturbed just have the STATE stop recognizing other states CCW's.

I looked but couldn't find my answer to "can a PA resident use a Non-resident CCW issued by another state to carry?"

Personally I don't like the Fla Non-resident CCW.
I know the snow bird arguement, and I don't buy it.AFS

AirForceShooter, I bet you buy all the money I spend for the 6 months that I live down here! I have the same right that you do to defend myself and family!

I'm a law abiding US citizen with a NY full carry license, PA non-res full carry license, and a FL non-res. I wonder if you have any non-resident state licenses of your own?

and once again several alledged pro gun Florida shooters show they are really not about freedoms and rights, these are the people who will sell out others to save their own hide and 'elite' status, they love feeling special...sickening

+1 Smith