Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

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Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby learningcircles » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:29 pm

Ok guys, I was just thinking to myself how could someone put together a VERY accurate precision rifle for under $1000. Here is what I came up with, and I'd like to see your thoughts.

Basic Rifle: Standard savage long action in 300 WIN MAG, bought on a budget Stevens 200

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62_974/products_id/14612

Stock: Bell and Carlson pillar bedded and free-floated

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/913677/bell-and-carlson-duramaxx-rifle-stock-savage-110-series-long-action-blind-magazine-heavy-barrel-varmint-and-tactical-synthetic-black

Barrel: Now here's the kicker. Instead of going with a bull barrel, I'd try this out. Watch their video and learn. they seem to be VERY accurate. $350 isn't a bad price either.

http://www.teludynetech.com/video.cfm

One Piece scope rail:

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/577595/egw-1-piece-picatinny-style-base-savage-110-through-116-round-rear-long-action-matte

and lastly, some good quality, budget glass:

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_416X44_Illuminated_Mil_Dot_Scop_p/pa%204-16x.htm

^Be sure to add in a set of their 6 screw meduim rings


Now is this the ULTIMATE 1000 yd gun? certainly not. But I think it could get you there, and for not too much of an investment.

Thoughts? Questions? Concerns?
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby arkhangel5 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:52 pm

Learning,
Not a bad way to go to reach 1k. I have actually done close to the same thing you did.

Base Rifle = Stevens 200 in .308 = $300

Upgrades.
Barrel = Criterion 26in SS match barrel in .260 w/HD recoil lug = $300 shipped <--almost identical ballistics as 300WM w/less recoil. You can also get this in different calibers.
Stock = Choate Tactical w/full length bedding block = $220 shipped. The Duramaxx is a good stock also, I have one on a 300WM.
Trigger = Rifle Basix Sav1 = $95 shipped <---Very important if you want to reach 1k.
Scope Rail = Weaver 20moa Tactical = $30 shipped. EGW is also a good base.
My scope of choice is a Nikon, but it was what I had on hand
If you include the miscellaneous tools you need to do the work yourself, it's about another $140 bux.

The one part I think you would change first is the heavy trigger that comes with the Stevens. It's set at ~6lbs and was very rough, which in turn would make it hard to be accurate at 1K.

So far the above combo is shooting good for me during load development.

Let us know how it works out for you.

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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby learningcircles » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:42 pm

sorry, forgot to mention that I have a donor accu-trigger from my model 10. I'm ok with a stock trigger on what is just a basic hunting rifle
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby aquajon » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:44 pm

I might just be a cynic, but do you plan to actually take this gun to a 1,000 yard range and shoot it?
For most people, a stock Remington, Savage, or Winchester bolt action and a few hundred dollars in glass will shoot much more accurately (at any distance) than the capabilities of the shooter behind the trigger.
Me, I like to suppress everything, so I would buy one of these Remington 700's in 308 which come pre-threaded - $621 delivered from Buds:
Another few hundred on a budget 3-9 Nikon, or maybe something else and be done.
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby learningcircles » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:46 am

I already have a savage 10 in 308 WIN. It's my go to hunting rifle, so I'm looking for something with better capabilities. And no, I won't actually shoot it at 1000 yards. Only 800 [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby mjmensale » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:48 am

learningcircles wrote:Barrel: Now here's the kicker. Instead of going with a bull barrel, I'd try this out. Watch their video and learn. they seem to be VERY accurate. $350 isn't a bad price either.

http://www.teludynetech.com/video.cfm


I have no idea how consistent the original barrel on the base rifle might be but this thing appears to just be a sleeve that goes over it? Spend about the same money and get a "real" barrel. There are lots of quality barrel makers out there.
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby eddieh » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:20 am

Google "Billy Dixon"...."On June 6, 1874 at the Second Battle at Adobe Walls he shoot a Kiowa off his horse at a distance that was measured by U.S. Army surveyers at 1538 yards. The shot was made with a .50-90 Sharps Model 1874 rifle. No scope was used. There was an aperature sight on the rifle tang. Bullets range in weight from 425 grs at a blazing 1400FPS to a 550 gr. at 1275 FPS."

Translation.... A 500.00 dollar hammer does not make you a carpenter! A man with a $300.00 used rifle and KNOWS that rifle will beat all the whizbang stuff hands down every time.
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby IDPAMASTER » Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:57 pm

mjmensale wrote:
learningcircles wrote:Barrel: Now here's the kicker. Instead of going with a bull barrel, I'd try this out. Watch their video and learn. they seem to be VERY accurate. $350 isn't a bad price either.

http://www.teludynetech.com/video.cfm


I have no idea how consistent the original barrel on the base rifle might be but this thing appears to just be a sleeve that goes over it? Spend about the same money and get a "real" barrel. There are lots of quality barrel makers out there.


I would put this gimmick right up there beside those uber tactical Counter Sniper Scopes...and of coarse anyone that buys into it certainly shouldn't ask questions especially online,lest they be butt hurt #-o

learningcircles wrote:I already have a savage 10 in 308 WIN. It's my go to hunting rifle, so I'm looking for something with better capabilities. And no, I won't actually shoot it at 1000 yards. Only 800 [smilie=011.gif]


If you are not capable of using that fantastic out of the box rifle to it's fullest potential,then the last thing I would be concerned with is another rifle. Perhaps instead invest it in ammo and use up those sick/vacation days at the longest range available :-k
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby wcontratto » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:53 pm

eddieh wrote:Google "Billy Dixon"...."On June 6, 1874 at the Second Battle at Adobe Walls he shoot a Kiowa off his horse at a distance that was measured by U.S. Army surveyers at 1538 yards. The shot was made with a .50-90 Sharps Model 1874 rifle. No scope was used. There was an aperature sight on the rifle tang. Bullets range in weight from 425 grs at a blazing 1400FPS to a 550 gr. at 1275 FPS."

Translation.... A 500.00 dollar hammer does not make you a carpenter! A man with a $300.00 used rifle and KNOWS that rifle will beat all the whizbang stuff hands down every time.



For a good read, google:

"billy dixon" radar

And click the first result... aw heck, here's the link

http://powderburns.tripod.com/sharps.html
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby eddieh » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:40 am

wcontratto wrote:
eddieh wrote:Google "Billy Dixon"...."On June 6, 1874 at the Second Battle at Adobe Walls he shoot a Kiowa off his horse at a distance that was measured by U.S. Army surveyers at 1538 yards. The shot was made with a .50-90 Sharps Model 1874 rifle. No scope was used. There was an aperature sight on the rifle tang. Bullets range in weight from 425 grs at a blazing 1400FPS to a 550 gr. at 1275 FPS."

Translation.... A 500.00 dollar hammer does not make you a carpenter! A man with a $300.00 used rifle and KNOWS that rifle will beat all the whizbang stuff hands down every time.



For a good read, google:

"billy dixon" radar

And click the first result... aw heck, here's the link

http://powderburns.tripod.com/sharps.html



That is very cool! [smilie=cheers1.gif]
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby nicolas » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:13 pm

.308 Remi 700 VS or whatever variant, vs comes with a nice hs precision stock, budget $450

Pac-nor 26" match barrel 5 groove 1-10" $360 , budget for threading and lug included

Rifle basix trigger $125

20 moa rail $50.00

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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby kayakingsteve » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:58 am

Not sure what all the fuss is about guys. I got a 1,000 yard gun for 350 out of the box. It's a Cetme. There's this barn about, oh, half a mile away, and on a good day if I bang a couple of clips through it, I know the bullets make it at least that far, and that's over 1,000 yards, right?

oh, and it's "tactical" cuz it's black and stuff... [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=pdt_xtremez_13.gif] [smilie=011.gif] [smilie=pdt_xtremez_13.gif] [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby nicolas » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:28 am

Well what did you decide to do ?
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby mjmensale » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:47 pm

nicolas wrote:Well what did you decide to do ?


You may not get an answer for a while. He hasn't been here since last November.
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby nicolas » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:00 pm

mjmensale wrote:
nicolas wrote:Well what did you decide to do ?


You may not get an answer for a while. He hasn't been here since last November.



lol I didn't notice [smilie=011.gif]
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby Casual » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:29 pm

nicolas wrote:
mjmensale wrote:
nicolas wrote:Well what did you decide to do ?


You may not get an answer for a while. He hasn't been here since last November.



lol I didn't notice [smilie=011.gif]

Did Moe ban him for being a cheap ass and not just buying a G.A. precision700?
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby mjmensale » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:49 pm

Casual wrote:Did Moe ban him for being a cheap ass and not just buying a G.A. precision700?


George & Company make nice kit but not everyone can afford to drop $3K on just the gun. [smilie=cheers1.gif]
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby nicolas » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:39 am

mjmensale wrote:
Casual wrote:Did Moe ban him for being a cheap ass and not just buying a G.A. precision700?


George & Company make nice kit but not everyone can afford to drop $3K on just the gun. [smilie=cheers1.gif]


$3 ? in 2007 I imported an HS precision SA2000 with all the whistles and bells and that cost a heck of a lot more than that ... before shipping [smilie=pdt_xtremez_23.gif]

Is HS still a dirty word over there ?
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Re: Theoretical 1000yd gun, on a budget.

Postby mjmensale » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:55 am

nicolas wrote:$3 ? in 2007 I imported an HS precision SA2000 with all the whistles and bells and that cost a heck of a lot more than that ... before shipping [smilie=pdt_xtremez_23.gif]

Is HS still a dirty word over there ?


OK, $3K to $4.2K. Better? [smilie=011.gif] HS's prices run about the same. Don't you have to include VAT or something when importing stuff? That may account for the added cost.

I don't know if HS is still a dirty word here. I know they had some fallout years ago when they had Lon Horiuchi endorse their products. Nothing like having the guy who popped Vicki Weaver give your stuff a thumbs up. Supposedly he was also involved in dropping some folks at Waco.
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