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Do any of you with AR15s/M16s use the Santose Improved Battle Sight Zero? I have my A2 rifles and now the M4 carbine set up like this. When you consider that most firefights occur within 200 yards, this is a great setup for those irons. You do use your irons, don't you?

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Courtesy the Maryland AR15 Shooters Site
http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/improvedbattlesightzero.msnw

An Improved Battlesight Zero for the M4 Carbine and M16A2 Rifle

1. Current Army/Marine Corps battlesight zero and it's procedures are well described in TM9-1005-319-10, the M16/M4 operator's manual. A recent copy of this manual is available for download at old.ar15.com/books. Procedures in the manual will not be repeated here.

2. The current 300 meter battlesight zero is a function of the sights on the rifle and I personally find it shoots too high for the vast majority of combat targets, including the Army's qualification ranges. The procedure listed here takes better advantage of the flat trajectory of these rifles as well as the use of civilian ranges, which are seldom surveyed in meters.

3. When zeroed at 200 meters, a distance twice that of normal combat engagements, these rifles have a very flat trajectory that is less then 2" from line of sight at all intermediate distances; a distance that's smaller than the normal dispersion of arsenal or factory loaded ammunition. This tiny trajectory arc allows very precise shooting out to 250 meters where the bullet is only 2" below line of sight.

4. A 200 meter zero has the happy coincidence of an initial trajectory cross-over at 50 yards, a distance available on almost all civilian ranges including many indoor ranges. This makes it easy to achieve a 200 meter battlesight zero without recourse to surveying your own range. If 200 meters is available you can fine-tune the zero at the real distance. And should when you get the chance.

5. The lowest sight setting, however, on these sights is 300 meters so the sight needs to be modified to preserve the markings on the sight (despite the fact that no one ever sets a range on these in the real world other than a USMC range). The sight needs to be set to bottom out at 8/3 -2 clicks. This will be the new 200-meter setting.

A. Flip the rear sight back to the unmarked aperture. This will reveal a hole in the top of the handle.

B. Rotate the sight wheel all the way down. Will probably be exactly at 8/3 (6/3). Don't force it down.

C. Using a 1/16" Allen wrench loosen the screw (under the revealed hole) in the sight wheel 3 full turns. Leave the wrench in the screw.

D. Rotate the bottom half of the sight wheel two clicks clockwise. This will raise the sight body if you look at it while you're turning it.

E. Tighten the Allen screw, remove the wrench, and confirm the sight bottoms out at 2 clicks BELOW 8/3. If not repeat the procedure until it's right.

6. Battlesight the rifle per the -10 with the following exceptions:

A. Sight should be at 8/3 -2 clicks, that is, all the way down, not up a click. Please note removable handle sights are marked 6/3 (rather than 8/3); also some are in ‘half-clicks’ as well. There should be 3 clicks between 3 and 4 on the knob. If there are 6 clicks then the sight needs to be set at –4 clicks (instead of –2).

B. Small aperture, nose to firing handle weld.

C. Distance is 50 yards.

D. Point of aim should be point of impact of bullet.


7. Remember you're adjusting the FRONT SIGHT for elevation, not the rear, and that each click is about 1/2" (actually a little more) at 50 yards. You won't get it closer than that. Don't frustrate yourself trying.

8. You're done. Leave the sight in this position for 99% of your shooting.

9. If you have to shoot targets you KNOW are 300 meters away or more, just click to the right number on the sight.

10. If you're patrolling set the sight to 8/3 and snap the aperture forward to 0-2. This will provide the same trajectory as above but with a larger, easier to see thru rear sight. Use this setting if you also have the M68 mounted as it's quicker to transition to if the sight fails.

11. If you have an M68 CCO (Aimpoint CompM-XD) optical sight battlesight it to 50/200 as well. You can shoot to 300 meters by merely holding "over a dot."

12. This battlesight zero is valid to 300 meters for both the M16A2 and M4 Carbines and their AR15 sisters. It's valid with any ammunition that approaches the specs for M193 (55gr) or M855 (62g) Ball ammunition. It works for both rifles and carbines due to the offsetting influence of higher muzzle velocity in the rifle being offset by the longer sight radius that moves bullet strike less per click. This is battlesight, not X-ring shooting!

13. This battlesight zero does not reflect the doctrine of the US Armed Forces, however, it reflects the personal use of these weapons in combat and in training for over 34 years.

14. Comments to: Lt. Colonel Chuck Santose (santose@compuserve.com).

Original document: 990104

Copyright 1999, 2000. All rights reserved.

Iron sights??? is that the little flip-up thingy that gets in the way of my Eotech??

Is this what the link above used to point to? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/328143_.html

mrqueue wrote:Is this what the link above used to point to? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/328143_.html

No it's not. These are not the same thing! LtC Santose's article is for a 50/250 meter point blank combat zero. It's for killing people quickly and efficiently without messing with the sights within normal engagement ranges. The ar15.com article is for a 100 yard target zero. Those assholes can f*%! up a wet dream if they aren't supervised. The only thing useful at the ar15 link is the pictures which give a better visual understanding of the adjustments.

The original link went to the old Maryland ar15 site, not ar15.com. I don't even know if the Maryland board is still around.

ive used this on mechanical BDC sights like sigs and HK's it works great. they also state to do the 30meter/300meter zero, but seems a bit too much. im better at hold under at 100meters then hold over. so it is great, nice info for the AR/M4 sights.

I understand the reasoning and the setup, have any idea how this will play out on my 16" mid length carbine. Will poa/poi work out the same at those distances? I won't get to the range for a week or so to test it.

Read #6 and #12.

I understood #6 & #12, just didn't know if having my front sight base farther forward than most carbines would affect poa/poi with this setup. I just put together a mid length rifle kit in 5.56 and slapped on a 6/3 detachable A2 I had laying around. I set it up the way you described (bottomed out at 6/3 - 4 clicks for my small ap 50 - 200 zero)

I will post results after I get to go shooting.