Florida Shooters Network

I know this came up for vote in the legislature this year and they for lack of a better term "pussed" out at the last second and changed it to the "gust of wind" law of whatever , but what do yall think are the chances of florida becoming an open carry state like alaska/colorado any time in the near future..? Thoughts?

I'll go out on a limb and say never. The small percentage of gun owners that want it aren't enough
for a politician to commit political suicide for them.

i'd rather have revised carry laws. as in i can carry EVERYWHERE, LEGALLY....

GLoCKeYeD wrote:i'd rather have revised carry laws. as in i can carry EVERYWHERE, LEGALLY....

and we don't even have that...

Orlando Paulitician wrote:

GLoCKeYeD wrote:i'd rather have revised carry laws. as in i can carry EVERYWHERE, LEGALLY....

and we don't even have that...

exactly

GLoCKeYeD wrote:i'd rather have revised carry laws. as in i can carry EVERYWHERE, LEGALLY....

Only thing I like about the open carry law would be the re-assurance that I dont always have to worry "is my shirt down far enough, is it gonna creep up, what if the wind blows, I cant wear these shorts/shirt" I know the revised law protects us ccw owners against prosecution if these things occur its just like anything else with the law (a PIA). But I think cigar guy is right. And I agree with you glockeyed, would be nice to carry anywhere..

FSUnoles wrote:

GLoCKeYeD wrote:i'd rather have revised carry laws. as in i can carry EVERYWHERE, LEGALLY....

Only thing I like about the open carry law would be the re-assurance that I dont always have to worry "is my shirt down far enough, is it gonna creep up, what if the wind blows, I cant wear these shorts/shirt" I know the revised law protects us ccw owners against prosecution if these things occur its just like anything else with the law (a PIA). But I think cigar guy is right. And I agree with you glockeyed, would be nice to carry anywhere..

i understand that... however...

in my 15 yrs of carry... what comes up more is post office visits, school zones, polling areas, privately owned daycares etc.

There's a new bill up for consideration in Tallahassee that will expand the places where you cannot carry. Basically any .gov office along with daycares. I'll get the bill number and text tomorrow.

I agree with GloCKeYed. I'd rather be able to cc most places. I'd rather not oc & let the BGs think about taking me out first. Of course oc might scare him off.

we have the right to bear arms, there is no mention of how. I want our rights back PERIOD

NonConformist wrote:we have the right to bear arms, there is no mention of how. I want our rights back PERIOD

yeros68 wrote: I'd rather not oc & let the BGs think about taking me out first.

Really?

I'm thinking the bad guy would see a gun, crap his pants again, and find another target more "robbery friendly" than a store with more guns in it than his.

And yes, I open carry literally daily now.

AD (open carry advocate, of course)

ADulay wrote:

yeros68 wrote: I'd rather not oc & let the BGs think about taking me out first.

Really?

I'm thinking the bad guy would see a gun, crap his pants again, and find another target more "robbery friendly" than a store with more guns in it than his.

And yes, I open carry literally daily now.

AD (open carry advocate, of course)

I agree with your first point to the fullest, and thats the point I make to all my liberal friends. If your a criminal and walked in a bank and saw a line of a dozen people, 6-8 had pistols on their side + the armed guards, chances are your gonna say f*%! it and try somewhere else. If you know anything about crime (I have a bachelors and halfway through my masters in criminology), criminals like easy targets ie (old/sick/handicapped, houses without dogs/alarms/people inside, merchandise towards front of the store). Of course youll always have your one wack-job outlier who'll want to go john wayne every once an awhile but IMO i think it would be a great deterrent (although im sure most LEOs would dissagree).

And you oc out in public with just a ccw as a normal citizen?

FSUnoles wrote:

ADulay wrote:

yeros68 wrote: And you oc out in public with just a ccw as a normal citizen?

Actually, under the appropriate Florida Statutes, you don't need a ccw to open carry. Strange but true.

In the Florida Concealed Carry Forums, there is a section for Open Carry where I've explained, in excruciating detail, the results of the three or four stops I've had for "open carry" while in my daily activities on my motorcycle. All of them turned out just fine with no problems.

Yes, I actually fish or shoot every day. It's one of the benefits of working all your life and then just saying "I'm done, I'm going fishing!"

The appropriate statutes are 790.25(3)(h) if you care to look them up but to summarize, it is legal to open carry a weapon is you're fishing, hunting, camping or traveling to and from such activities. Section (j) covers the gun range with the same results.

The bottom line is that yes, I do open carry pretty much all day and half the night if I'm fishing at at pier that's open all night (several in my area) and with only three traffic stops in the last year, all of which resulted in a friendly 'Have a nice day" as I rode away, still open carrying, I don't see it as a big deal or problem anymore.

I've mentioned on several forums that I much prefer open carry on a belt to any form of hiding a gun in my pants. The comfort level is way better than any fo the IWB holsters I've got, and I've got a lot of them!

If I HAVE to cover up, I throw on a cover shirt and walk into anyplace like any other CCW holder.

If you're still interested after all this blather, I can send you the links to the previously mentioned Open Carry postings thread. It is pretty good reading.

AD (open carry advocate)

most people miss the 'while going to or coming from' part

ADulay wrote:

yeros68 wrote: I'd rather not oc & let the BGs think about taking me out first.

Really?

I'm thinking the bad guy would see a gun, crap his pants again, and find another target more "robbery friendly" than a store with more guns in it than his.

And yes, I open carry literally daily now.

AD (open carry advocate, of course)

Not if they're looking to steal guns. If they are, you are an instant mark and you can bet your ass you'll be outnumbered by both people and guns.

Enoch wrote:

ADulay wrote:

yeros68 wrote: I'd rather not oc & let the BGs think about taking me out first.

Really?

I'm thinking the bad guy would see a gun, crap his pants again, and find another target more "robbery friendly" than a store with more guns in it than his.

And yes, I open carry literally daily now.

AD (open carry advocate, of course)

Not if they're looking to steal guns. If they are, you are an instant mark and you can bet your ass you'll be outnumbered by both people and guns.

Criminals acquire weapons through straw purchases at gun shows and home/auto burglaries. Not from armed robberies of individual people (not that it doesnt happen but its just not the standard norm), I highly highly highly doubt any criminal who saw 3/4 of the people in the store armed would try and rob those people/the store.

FSUnoles wrote:

Enoch wrote:

ADulay wrote:

yeros68 wrote: I'd rather not oc & let the BGs think about taking me out first.

Really?

I'm thinking the bad guy would see a gun, crap his pants again, and find another target more "robbery friendly" than a store with more guns in it than his.

And yes, I open carry literally daily now.

AD (open carry advocate, of course)

Not if they're looking to steal guns. If they are, you are an instant mark and you can bet your ass you'll be outnumbered by both people and guns.

Criminals acquire weapons through straw purchases at gun shows and home/auto burglaries. Not from armed robberies of individual people (not that it doesnt happen but its just not the standard norm), I highly highly highly doubt any criminal who saw 3/4 of the people in the store armed would try and rob those people/the store.

OK. Here's an example of how you become a target by open carrying. You open carry... BG's identify you. Maybe they don't confront you while you carry, but now they know you own at least one gun, and realize that most people that own one gun, own multiple guns.

They follow you home to see where you live and find out that you live in a nice neighborhood and have a good looking wife. They watch you for a couple days and realize your wife is often home alone. Now they know they can get some guns and have some fun with your wife at the same time. You see where this is going? I carry concealed, have the element of surprise, and don't have to worry about being targeted for my weapon.

You cowboys that think open carry is a deterrent are delusional or live in the sticks. Try to open carry in Miami or Fort Lauderdale, or Orlando, etc... and unless you are within the confines of your own business, you will be in constant attendance of your open weapon. You might as well go home and sit on the couch

Well as stated in another thread...(not to toot my own horn) but I live in a gated country club, so good luck following me in (theres never been a home invasion robbery or burglary in my community since it opened open 20 years ago), and if on the off chance they did get in Id notice they were following me all the way to my house. So let them come back when someones home (if they somehow found out where i lived by following me to the gate), good luck getting in my house with out alerting my 2 100 lb german shepherds lol.

I could understand your point, however your giving criminals WAY too much credit. Almost paranoia..

Not sure how we're delusional, criminals try an AVOID CONFRONTATION 99.9% of the time they commit crimes, its a fact. They avoid homes with high fences, dogs, people inside, with gates at the entrance, people WHO THEY KNOW can be armed etc etc. Who do the overwelming majority of criminals target..... the elderly, the sick/infermed, the indigent, the handicapped etc etc. If you think a criminal is going to follow you home because your carrying a gun in the hopes of getting more guns I think your the one whos delusional.

This is why I started the thread though, for good discussion on the topic. Your the first person Ive ever discussed this with who felt that way and actually thought of an elaborate scheme like that..

OK. Here's an example of how you become a target by open carrying. You open carry... BG's identify you. Maybe they don't confront you while you carry, but now they know you own at least one gun, and realize that most people that own one gun, own multiple guns.

They follow you home to see where you live and find out that you live in a nice neighborhood and have a good looking wife. They watch you for a couple days and realize your wife is often home alone. Now they know they can get some guns and have some fun with your wife at the same time. You see where this is going? I carry concealed, have the element of surprise, and don't have to worry about being targeted for my weapon.

You cowboys that think open carry is a deterrent are delusional or live in the sticks. Try to open carry in Miami or Fort Lauderdale, or Orlando, etc... and unless you are within the confines of your own business, you will be in constant attendance of your open weapon. You might as well go home and sit on the couch

FSUnoles wrote:Well as stated in another thread...(not to toot my own horn) but I live in a gated country club, so good luck following me in (theres never been a home invasion robbery or burglary in my community since it opened open 20 years ago), and if on the off chance they did get in Id notice they were following me all the way to my house. So let them come back when someones home (if they somehow found out where i lived by following me to the gate), good luck getting in my house with out alerting my 2 100 lb german shepherds lol.

I could understand your point, however your giving criminals WAY too much credit. Almost paranoia..

Not sure how we're delusional, criminals try an AVOID CONFRONTATION 99.9% of the time they commit crimes, its a fact. They avoid homes with high fences, dogs, people inside, with gates at the entrance, people WHO THEY KNOW can be armed etc etc. Who do the overwelming majority of criminals target..... the elderly, the sick/infermed, the indigent, the handicapped etc etc. If you think a criminal is going to follow you home because your carrying a gun in the hopes of getting more guns I think your the one whos delusional.

This is why I started the thread though, for good discussion on the topic. Your the first person Ive ever discussed this with who felt that way and actually thought of an elaborate scheme like that..

OK. Here's an example of how you become a target by open carrying. You open carry... BG's identify you. Maybe they don't confront you while you carry, but now they know you own at least one gun, and realize that most people that own one gun, own multiple guns.

They follow you home to see where you live and find out that you live in a nice neighborhood and have a good looking wife. They watch you for a couple days and realize your wife is often home alone. Now they know they can get some guns and have some fun with your wife at the same time. You see where this is going? I carry concealed, have the element of surprise, and don't have to worry about being targeted for my weapon.

You cowboys that think open carry is a deterrent are delusional or live in the sticks. Try to open carry in Miami or Fort Lauderdale, or Orlando, etc... and unless you are within the confines of your own business, you will be in constant attendance of your open weapon. You might as well go home and sit on the couch

Gated communities get robbed all the time. The security guards and maintenance/ground keepers know more about your schedule, vacations, pets, friends, etc. etc. than any neighbor in a non-gated community would ever care to know. Drug dealers set up grow houses in affluent, secured communities all the time. And the neighbors never had any idea

The gate is a false sense of security, and so are the guards. I personally hate gated communities, because I don't want to report, clock, swipe my comings and goings to anyone. Dogs are always a good deterrent, but unless they are trained, a couple hunks of meat may change their mind.

I don't doubt that your situation is quite secure, and I am far from paranoid, but you seem a little naive in your assumptions.

Many criminals ARE smart. Do you know how to steal someone's identity and go get a mortgage tomorrow? It happens everyday by DUMB criminals. Poverty and addiction are very strong motivators and many times BOLDNESS is more effective than INTELLIGENCE.

Since this thread was originally about OPEN CARRY, I'd be more interested in your intelligent discourse about how open carry is more beneficial than concealed carry... other than your brilliant opinion that criminals are dumb and would be scared of you if you had a gun on your hip.