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More BS afoot in Tallahassee. I guess the "rulers" fear armed "subjects".


HB 1087 (Berman) had it's first reading yesterday.
SB 1340 (Sachs) has been referred to committee.

Bill summary: "Provides that license to carry concealed weapon or firearm does not authorize any person to openly carry handgun or carry concealed weapon or firearm into state, county, municipal, school board, or constitutional officer's, or special district office or building that primarily consists of offices for one of these entities or any combination of them or into child care facility."

Lori Berman (D) - Delray Beach
Maria Sachs (D) - Delray Beach

More crap from the PBC mafia. Hopefully it will be squashed with prejudice.

I would have to disarm before i walk inside my Childs daycare to pick him up..the whole ten minutes it took to do so would leave me unable to lethally protect him while walking back to my truck? No good.

This is why Democrats are in the minority in the Florida legislature. And why they'll stay that way.

They proved that they were not educated in the school system they helped set up, they can read, but that's as far as these bills will go.

John

im confused... i thought that was all illegal now anyway?

and WTF is a constitutional officer?

GLoCKeYeD wrote:im confused... i thought that was all illegal now anyway?

and WTF is a constitutional officer?

Constitutional officer is a state elected official.

In other words, them. They don't want ay of us riff-raff carrying a gun anywhere near then. I can kinda understand that...

John

GLoCKeYeD wrote:im confused... i thought that was all illegal now anyway?

and WTF is a constitutional officer?

I'm with you. What's new in this bill? I currently can't carry on public school grounds
so figured a day care......

Many (most?) day cares are private.

Currently you can carry in City Hall and.gov offices, just not into their meetings.

ill look in the book again, but im pretty sure daycares are included, even privately owned ones.

GLoCKeYeD wrote:ill look in the book again, but im pretty sure daycares are included, even privately owned ones.

The statutes say nothing about daycare just schools.

page 170, it talks about school gun zones, FS 790.115 and how it was expanded.

GLoCKeYeD wrote:page 170, it talks about school gun zones, FS 790.115 and how it was expanded.

I have read the statute and no where does it include a day care. It defines what is considered a school and the term day care is not ever mentioned in the entire statute. Your book may have some good stuff in it but it is no replacement for reading the actual statutes.

Kender wrote:

GLoCKeYeD wrote:page 170, it talks about school gun zones, FS 790.115 and how it was expanded.

I have read the statute and no where does it include a day care. It defines what is considered a school and the term day care is not ever mentioned in the entire statute. Your book may have some good stuff in it but it is no replacement for reading the actual statutes.

The statutes are not always fully explanatory. Gutmacher's book also includes, besides explaining the statutes, further footnotes and case references explaining stuff like the "daycare" issue. Daycares are considered preschools and thus off limits for carrying. Spend the $30 and get a copy of the book. You'll be glad you did.

mjmensale wrote: Spend the $30 and get a copy of the book. You'll be glad you did.

......and reread it annually(which I need to do!)

I can NOT support or recommend Mr. Gutmacher's Book.

He has his own political agenda that is not focused on the expansion of the fundamental right to bear arms.
He makes money off of explaining ambiguity in Florida's gun laws. Last year he fought against SB234. A bill would have removed a lot a grey area that causes people to get arrested and need his services.

There is another book coming out this year from better lawyers that do want to protect your rights. I'm waiting for that book... More to follow when possible.

StogieC wrote:I can NOT support or recommend Mr. Gutmacher's Book.

He has his own political agenda that is not focused on the expansion of the fundamental right to bear arms.
He makes money off of explaining ambiguity in Florida's gun laws. Last year he fought against SB234. A bill would have removed a lot a grey area that causes people to get arrested and need his services.

There is another book coming out this year from better lawyers that do want to protect your rights. I'm waiting for that book... More to follow when possible.

That, of course, is your right. Regardless, until somebody comes out with something better, Gutmacher's book has been helping many of us to better understand the laws and statutes for almost two decades. Is it perfect? No, but then neither is the law as we all know. But it does fill a very important need for Florida's concealed carriers.

I have fewer issues with the book than I do with its author.

I'm with Moe on this one.

His book's have provided many people with a better understanding of Florida's firearms laws for quite some time.

As I've said in other threads, I don't know anything about him as a lawyer, I only know of him because of the book.

mjmensale wrote:

StogieC wrote:I can NOT support or recommend Mr. Gutmacher's Book.

He has his own political agenda that is not focused on the expansion of the fundamental right to bear arms.
He makes money off of explaining ambiguity in Florida's gun laws. Last year he fought against SB234. A bill would have removed a lot a grey area that causes people to get arrested and need his services.

There is another book coming out this year from better lawyers that do want to protect your rights. I'm waiting for that book... More to follow when possible.

That, of course, is your right. Regardless, until somebody comes out with something better, Gutmacher's book has been helping many of us to better understand the laws and statutes for almost two decades. Is it perfect? No, but then neither is the law as we all know. But it does fill a very important need for Florida's concealed carriers.