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HES wrote:

ipscscott wrote:

poloboy821 wrote:Onebad: the information you posted is pertaining to mental health services. It states that a hospital that provides mental health services or a mental health hospital. Very few hospitals provide mental health services, in most counties there is only 1 or 2 psych recieving facilities. So what this means is you are ok based on the quoted statue as long as you stay away from psych hospitals and psych facilities with your gun.

don't most hospitals have at least some form of psych facility?

Some, not most AFAIK. In Tampa the only two that I am aware of is St. Josephs on MLK and Tampa General. They are only psych wards and not full psych facilities. Other hospitals in the area do not have psych wards or facilities.

We are opening a new ward down the street that will be just a psych facility, getting rid of the one by the D elevators

D elevators? TGH?

HES wrote:D elevators? TGH?

Joes, right by the back of the ER

Brandon H. wrote:

HES wrote:D elevators? TGH?

Joes, right by the back of the ER

Ok. Hey what happened with that fire the other month on the psych ward?

Don't sweat it. There is no bill for this, and anything that it could be attached to (HB1087 & SB1340) will probably not even come up before committee.

If somehow it does come up. We'll crush it.

HES wrote:

ipscscott wrote:

poloboy821 wrote:Onebad: the information you posted is pertaining to mental health services. It states that a hospital that provides mental health services or a mental health hospital. Very few hospitals provide mental health services, in most counties there is only 1 or 2 psych recieving facilities. So what this means is you are ok based on the quoted statue as long as you stay away from psych hospitals and psych facilities with your gun.

don't most hospitals have at least some form of psych facility?

Some, not most AFAIK. In Tampa the only two that I am aware of is St. Josephs on MLK and Tampa General. They are only psych wards and not full psych facilities. Other hospitals in the area do not have psych wards or facilities.

Memorial hospital has a large psych ward. It encompasses the entire fourth floor of the hospital.

http://www.memorialhospitaltampa.com/se ... al_health/

Rentprop1 wrote:what happens if you get taken to the hospital, say unconscious and you have your CW on you ??

One of seizures happen around midnight. I was sleeping in a recliner because of back pain. Tucked in the side was a .357 revolver.
This is what happened as told to me by my wife (I was unconscious).
EMT (3) along with a police man showed up at the house. As the EMT were lifting me off the recliner one of them noticed the gun and told the cop. Cop had everyone back off. Wife told them she'd put it away but cop said no he'd handle it. She said he lifted it with 2 fingers and she showed him the way to the safe. Cop looked in the safe and asked her why we had so many guns wife told him because it was my hobby. He then deposited the gun in the safe he closed the door and then she locked it.
I spent 8 nights in 2 different hospitals this past month. I never thought of bringing in a gun.

TC6969 wrote:I spent the weekend in the hospital and those shitheads are damned lucky I didn't have my pistol with me!

What were you in for? Why did you consider them shitheads?
I spent 8 nights in 2 different hospitals the past month. Never had a problem. Weekends are always the worst they are never full staff. One floor I was on had no aids on the night shift and had more people admitted that they were staffed for. Not the staff's fault. Man those nurses ran that night.

Every patient in every hospital should be armed . . . to protect themselves from physicians performing totally unnecessary procedures in order to milk an insurance account!

Just kidding, of course, but I bet there's more crime committed by your men in white than by any legitimate gun owner.

Hotspur wrote:Every patient in every hospital should be armed . . . to protect themselves from physicians performing totally unnecessary procedures in order to milk an insurance account!

Just kidding, of course, but I bet there's more crime committed by your men in white than by any legitimate gun owner.

98,000 + deaths per year from malpractice: even the Brady bunch can't come up with a number like that for guns.

Hotspur wrote:Every patient in every hospital should be armed . . . to protect themselves from physicians performing totally unnecessary procedures in order to milk an insurance account!

Just kidding, of course, but I bet there's more crime committed by your men in white than by any legitimate gun owner.

My neurologist ordered an MRI. He didn't run the machine or study the test and publish the results he just read the results. How much would he have made for ordering the test?

Doctor I know told me he orders every test he can think of to protect himself from lawsuits. He said people come in the emergency room with a cut hand and figure they don't have to tell the doctor that they have had bad stomach pain for 6 months. A few months later they are back with stomach cancer and sue the first doctor for not finding it.
Hell he's had a family of a 94 year old patient who died looking to find someone to sue.
In the past month I've had every test on my brain and heart to find out what caused the 5 addition brain episodes I've had since my stroke and seizures in 2004 + 2005. They finally decided it was the hole in my heart. 2 Neurologist, 3 Cardiologist and my GP. Even then it was not unanimous. The hole was closed and now time will tell. Break your arm and they can fix it anything else it's educated guess time.

Onree wrote:Several hospitals in the Orlando area have signs saying firearms not allowed along with metal detectors.

Lakeland Regional has no signs or metal detectors - yet.

My Dad got the wand it didn't catch his .380 in his back pocket. He said he didn't think of it until he got in the room and was like, "Oh, I probably got wanded, because I'm carrying a gun"

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Brandon H. wrote:

HES wrote:

ipscscott wrote:

poloboy821 wrote:Onebad: the information you posted is pertaining to mental health services. It states that a hospital that provides mental health services or a mental health hospital. Very few hospitals provide mental health services, in most counties there is only 1 or 2 psych recieving facilities. So what this means is you are ok based on the quoted statue as long as you stay away from psych hospitals and psych facilities with your gun.

don't most hospitals have at least some form of psych facility?

Some, not most AFAIK. In Tampa the only two that I am aware of is St. Josephs on MLK and Tampa General. They are only psych wards and not full psych facilities. Other hospitals in the area do not have psych wards or facilities.

We are opening a new ward down the street that will be just a psych facility, getting rid of the one by the D elevators

From what I've heard, St. Joe's will still have med-psych on the 8th floor. Don't they provide mental health services to the patients in med-psych?

That unit is most likely for the pts that have to be medically cleared prior to being placed in a psych facility. See the way it works is if you say try to shoot yourself in an apparant suicide attempt. You spend 2 months in ICU, then 6weeks recovery prior to dischage. Now this entire time a baker act was filed but not in affect YET. Once you get medically cleared you then begin your 72hr hold. So to answer your question, those would be psych pts that are awaiting medical clearance but are not under a baker act therefor ti is not a psych unit. I could be wrong as this is only my educated guess. Seems like a good idea to keep the crazies out of the general population as sometimes they can be super high risk and could pose a threat to staff or other pt's and they can not control the flow of contraband as well in the general floors as well.

Correct, 8th floor part is still there, everything else is gone.

hey, here's a semi-related question - does being Baker Acted constitute being "adjudicated as a mental defective, or committed to a mental institution" with regards to being disqualified from obtaining a CHL? I had someone ask me that a while back and had no answer for them.

Brandon H. wrote:Correct, 8th floor part is still there, everything else is gone.

Question still stands.... Don't they provide mental health services to the patients in med-psych?

ipscscott wrote:hey, here's a semi-related question - does being Baker Acted constitute being "adjudicated as a mental defective, or committed to a mental institution" with regards to being disqualified from obtaining a CHL? I had someone ask me that a while back and had no answer for them.

Question 12 from the CWL application: "You are NOT ELIGIBLE for a Florida concealed weapons license if any of the following conditions applies to you: (1) *snipped not relevant*; (2) you have been committed to a mental institution in accordance with the provisions of Chapter 394, FS, or similar laws of any other state."

What is a Baker Act proceeding?

Chapter 394 of the Florida Statutes is known as "The Baker Act" and as "The Florida Mental Health Act". A Baker Act proceeding is a means of providing an individual with emergency services and temporary detention for mental health evaluation and treatment, either on a voluntary or involuntary basis.

http://www.robinerickson.com/bakeract.htm

I'm no lawyer, but I'm afraid a "baker acting" would disqualify you.

Well that's pretty cut and dry. Kinda what I figured but good to know for sure. Thanks for the
cite!