Florida Shooters Network

DOOKEYFACE wrote:I'm confused. I see comments here saying it is not required that you inform an officer who stops you, that you have a firearm in the car/on your person. When I took my CWL class, the instructor advised us that's the first thing you should do if you're ever stopped. He said you should be giving your CWL with your DL/Registration/Insurance. The officer will almost definitely ask if your carrying. To "remain calm", and advise something along the lines of "Sir, I am a licensed firearms carrier, and I have my firearm/weapon with me (try not to just say something like "I got a gun on me")." Also advise of the condition of the carry, and if the officer would like to temporarily seize the weapon, assuring them that you want to remain safe. He said that if you don't offer this information, and when the officer runs your information, and it comes back that your a CWP holder, and you didn't offer the information voluntarily, your gonna have a fidgety/suspicious cop who may feel your trying to hide something. Is this wrong?

YES. It is VERY wrong... erroneous information. Your CCW license is NOT linked to your DL. It does NOT come up on the police computer. And, while your instructor may have ADVISED you to volunteer the information, it is NOT required by law in the state of Florida (to VOLUNTEER the information).

However, if ASKED about weapons by the police, you DO need to tell them. And, certainly it's advisable to do it in a way that is PREFACED by the fact that you are licensed to do so. Don't lead off by saying, "I have a gun."

Even though you don't need a carry permit to have a gun in your car under certain circumstances, in Florida.

I think I'm missing something. What's so good about being illegally detained, verbally assaulted, and to top it off sexually assaulted?

Oh right you didn't get a ticket (that the cop was lying about), right.....

P.S. If you were speed and doing 48 in a 35 then bad on you.

Captain,

I dont work for PBSO but I have been in law enforcement for 15yrs now and yes there are some real douche bags out there. So on behalf of the men and women in my line of work who appreciate and realize the value of a lawfully armed citizen I would like to apologize. I have been a patrol officer, Detective and now a supervisor and I know that law enforcement cant be every at once. We need to stand together with the lawfully armed citizen to protect special things in life such as our family and friends. There is a line between being safe and violating the rights of a person.

Again I apologize for the situation that you had to endure. You handle yourself like a professional even when the professional did not.

What was the name of the ball handler? I just want some warning when go through that hood(reason stated for future response from Rent).

It was some German last name, I really wish shit like this didn't happened.
Thanks for all the support guys.
I was thinking about having my lawyer file a complaint but honestly I don't think is going to solve anything.


And no Rent, I will not let you frisk me at the FSN shoot out...

captain steinbrenner wrote:

And no Rent, I will not let you frisk me at the FSN shoot out...

you know you like the magic finger about @ 1:41

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/854358/th ... _dilon_in/

I would be thinking one thing, "I'm glad I didn't get a ticket." I'd gladly take getting my balls grabbed and 10 minutes of verbal abuse over some $200 ticket for when I thought I was going slower, but I won't fight it, because I know this dickhead will show up with his radar gun and I'll get stuck w/ court fees on top of it all.

I got stopped doing 43 in a 25, 100% guilty, but due to the cop being nervous, etc..etc.. and totally mishandling the situation he let me go. I will gladly take a 20 minute stop and having my hands sprawled out on the cop car over a $200 ticket!

I've been pulled over 3xs since I've had my CWL and I've had 0 tickets. #justsayin'

Honorable funny story - female cop 2 weeks ago, "how do you open this? Is it loaded?" (38 special revolver w/ crimson laser) And I just kept asking her, "please treat the handgun like it's loaded and point it in a safe direction, because it really is loaded." Her response, "you don't have the safety on?"

captain steinbrenner wrote:It was some German last name, I really wish shit like this didn't happened.
Thanks for all the support guys.
I was thinking about having my lawyer file a complaint but honestly I don't think is going to solve anything.


And no Rent, I will not let you frisk me at the FSN shoot out...

IA investigations and complaints go into the employment file. I think the guy was trying to get you to resist.

Capt. Steinbrenner,

Don't you see that cop was TRYING to have a chance to ARREST YOU!!! Don't give that scum of the Earth the satisfaction of telling another story to all his cop-buddies of how he dished crap all over another "Gun Owner" to "Teach Him a Lesson"!

This officer acted in ways (multiple) that should have him very seriously reprimanded so as to hurt his chances for promotion or, better yet, get fired!

Please call this episode to the attention of Internal Affairs. At the risk of possibly sounding a little pushy...I almost think you have a duty to report this as a member of this Concealed Carry community.??? It's the ONLY WAY some of these bad-apple Morons are going to get the point and OTHERS will see... It's how "people" (cops) learn....

It takes resolve, but we owe it to our fellow carry-holders.




PS: Did you see how there are 36 Views and Not ONE response in the "First Responders Forum" to your situation being paraphrased for them and Asking For A Reaction from someone in the ranks.... Now that's what I call Cowardice! Who's surprised they aren't watching each others back when one behaves like that guy did?

RadarMan said it better than I did.







Bruised, captain steinbrenner balls are. Hmmmmmm

mjmensale wrote: Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court.

What? A sane law in the USA? These things are so rare, they should be on the endangered species list or something.

Best wishes,
Daniel.

The second cop was an obvious douche but the first one didn't help things by calling for back-up. If he was so calm and cool, why the hell did he call for back up?

I've been stopped 3 times over the last 5 yrs while carrying. Once by Coconut Creek, once by North Bay Village, and once by FHP.

When I was pulled over by Coconut Creek, I had my daughter in the car and at that time she did not know that I owned or carried a gun so I did not volunteer that I had a gun in the car. Well, like a dumbass, my CWL was directly behind my DL so when I pulled out my DL, my CWL was visible. He noticed it immediately, put his hand on his gun and asked if there was a weapon in the car.
I of-course said yes and made sure my hands were on top if the steering wheel. He got a little animated and started raising his voice telling me not to move and I told him the gun was in the driver's door pocket. He opened the door and retrieved it then made me exit the vehicle and stand at the rear of the car while he returned to his car. He had pulled me over because he claimed I didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign.
Anyway, he ended up not giving me any tickets, returned my revolver unloaded and zipped in it's rug, placed it in my trunk, and instructed me not to retrieve it until after he had left. Then he admonished me for not volunteering the fact that I had a gun in the car. I didn't argue, but explained that my daughter didn't know about the gun and that's why I didn't say anything. He grumbled something and left. He was actually quite professional and I really didn't have a problem with the way he reacted.

The other 2 occassions, I volunteered that I had a gun and handed my DL and CWL together. Both of these situations went extremely smooth and again, I was not even given a traffic violation. In North Bay Village (Miami), they took the gun but handed it back to me unloaded.
The FHP Officer just looked at my CWL, nodded and handed it back to me without ever asking to see the gun.

In none of these situations did any of the officers call for back up. I guess I got lucky running into some level-headed LEO's.

As previously stated, the second guy was definitely looking for trouble and definitely trying to get you to react in such a way that he could "have a little fun" with you. Way to keep your cool Captain! I'm sorry you had to go through this.

It just burns me up when people like this try to toss their weight around. I have a personal story about a LEO putting me into a position where it was impossible for me to comply with his command... just so he could "have a little fun", but I don't want to jack your thread, and it gets me so pissed that I need a few adult beverages to calm my ass down after telling it and I don't have any alcohol in the house right now

racer88 wrote:

DOOKEYFACE wrote:I'm confused. I see comments here saying it is not required that you inform an officer who stops you, that you have a firearm in the car/on your person. When I took my CWL class, the instructor advised us that's the first thing you should do if you're ever stopped. He said you should be giving your CWL with your DL/Registration/Insurance. The officer will almost definitely ask if your carrying. To "remain calm", and advise something along the lines of "Sir, I am a licensed firearms carrier, and I have my firearm/weapon with me (try not to just say something like "I got a gun on me")." Also advise of the condition of the carry, and if the officer would like to temporarily seize the weapon, assuring them that you want to remain safe. He said that if you don't offer this information, and when the officer runs your information, and it comes back that your a CWP holder, and you didn't offer the information voluntarily, your gonna have a fidgety/suspicious cop who may feel your trying to hide something. Is this wrong?

YES. It is VERY wrong... erroneous information. Your CCW license is NOT linked to your DL. It does NOT come up on the police computer. And, while your instructor may have ADVISED you to volunteer the information, it is NOT required by law in the state of Florida (to VOLUNTEER the information).

However, if ASKED about weapons by the police, you DO need to tell them. And, certainly it's advisable to do it in a way that is PREFACED by the fact that you are licensed to do so. Don't lead off by saying, "I have a gun."

Actually, even if asked you still don't HAVE to tell them. You can't lie to them but you have the RIGHT to remain silent even if they haven't gotten to the point of telling you that. Of course if you do refuse to answer such a question they will just search you for weapons which they have the right to do so you may as well just answer the question.

Got an attorney yet?

You're suffering from psychological after effects of being molested by the officers and having your rights violated and now cannot preform sexually in bed with your partner right?

Great read, I think I know what I'll do if I ever get pulled over.

BasketCase wrote: You can't lie to them

Actually you can, (not that I'm suggesting one should do so) it's federal agents it's against the law to lie to.

but you have the RIGHT to remain silent even if they haven't gotten to the point of telling you that. Of course if you do refuse to answer such a question they will just search you for weapons which they have the right to do so you may as well just answer the question.

Sorry but refusing to answer questions in no way provides the criteria necessary for an exception to the 4th amendment requirement for a warrant.

sgb wrote:

BasketCase wrote: You can't lie to them

Actually you can, (not that I'm suggesting one should do so) it's federal agents it's against the law to lie to.

but you have the RIGHT to remain silent even if they haven't gotten to the point of telling you that. Of course if you do refuse to answer such a question they will just search you for weapons which they have the right to do so you may as well just answer the question.

Sorry but refusing to answer questions in no way provides the criteria necessary for an exception to the 4th amendment requirement for a warrant.

+1 they will pressure you, say all sorts of things but it doesnt give them the right